General Discussion (Classic Trains)

AWP290:

No need to toss a coin, Johnny was first in with the answer, no question about it.

According to an AAR booklet dated 1948, both the Flyer and the Limited ran through to Miami via the route mentioned. (C&EI/L&N/NC&StL/CofG/ACL/FEC)

The Flagler, by this time (1948) ran via C&EI/NC&StL/L&N/ACL/FEC.

Go to it, Johnny!

 Bob

I had my doubts about the Dixie Flyer and Dixie Limited running through as separate trains to Miami--but, there have been so many variations in East Coast and Middle West-Florida service that one would have to have a complete file of Guides or timetables to be absolutely certain about any statement as to how and when any one train went.

New question: In the summer of 1925, the Pullman company operated a sleeper line between West Yellowstone, Mont., and Jacksonville, Fla. This service apparently did not ring a bell with the traveling public, since it was for one summer season only. Unless you have the actual information (I don't), don't bother about train names or the times of day. Tell us what railroads handled the car, and where it was switched from one road to another.

Johnny

  Mark, good luck at your new address: 77 Sunset Strip

Johnny, is this the route?

UP - West Yellowstone to Kansas City

Wabash - Kansas City to St. Louis

L&N - St. Louis to Nashville

NC&SL - Nashville to Atlanta

C of G - Atlanta to Albany

ACL - Albany to Jacksonville

Mike

wanswheel:

  Mark, good luck at your new address: 77 Sunset Strip

Johnny, is this the route?

UP - West Yellowstone to Kansas City

Wabash - Kansas City to St. Louis

L&N - St. Louis to Nashville

NC&SL - Nashville to Atlanta

C of G - Atlanta to Albany

ACL - Albany to Jacksonville

Mike

That's it, Mike. Would you be able to find a picture of one of the cars on its way to or from West Yellowstone? Peter Maiken, in his Night Trains, did not tell us what accommodations the car had; he simply said that it ran that summer.

You, of of course now have the obligation to ask us a question.

As an aside, are you following the discussion of "Gasoline Powered Loco" in General Discussion in the Trains Magazine Forum?

Johnny

 

 

If he doesn't have pics, then they don't exist!

Where on what railroad did the Train of Tomorrow go on its inaugural run?

Mike

The Baltimore and Ohio according to my somewhat dim memory.

Or was it the NYO&W?

I believe it traveled on the MONON from Chicago to French Lick and back.

Al - in - Stockton

Al, yes the Monon, 278 miles Chicago Dearborn to French Lick Springs Hotel, May 26, 1947. Return trip the next day. Your turn.

Before we leave the Train of Tomorrow, I believe its eventual assignment, where I rode it, was in Seattle - Portland pool service.  Which railroad actually operated it?   NP. UP, or GN?

The UP purchased the equipment for the pool, but it was a pool service.  All three would have operated the equipment.   I never thought about it before but I wonder if that included the locomotive....

Texas Zepher:

The UP purchased the equipment for the pool, but it was a pool service.  All three would have operated the equipment.   I never thought about it before but I wonder if that included the locomotive....

The UP purchased the E7 as well and originally assigned it to there pool train between Portland and Seattle. But the UP always charged a premium to ride the dome cars on there pool train except for the dome dining car. Rode the train many times when the domes were operated. The NP and the UP were the big guns of the Seattle - Portland pool the GN never even operated a full dining car as did the others. The UP brought a through Chicago - Seattle sleeping car from the City of Portland north from Portland as well as four SP sleeping cars from the Cascade. Once in Seattle the four SP sleeping cars were moved from Union Station to King St. Station under the Fourth Ave viaduct where they taken to the GN / NP coach yard for departure the next day on the NP pool train to Portland and the connection with that days southbound SP Cascade. Tickets were interchangeable from any of the three RRs that operated the pool trains.  

Al - in - Stockton

Will have a question ready in a couple of hours. Have to get a couple of clients taxes done first.

passengerfan:

The UP brought a through Chicago - Seattle sleeping car from the City of Portland north from Portland as well as four SP sleeping cars from the Cascade. Once in Seattle the four SP sleeping cars were moved from Union Station to King St. Station under the Fourth Ave viaduct where they taken to the GN / NP coach yard for departure the next day on the NP pool train to Portland and the connection with that days southbound SP Cascade. Tickets were interchangeable from any of the three RRs that operated the pool trains.  

Al, the Seattle-Chicago car had to go back to Portland on the NP day train, along with the Seattle-San Francisco cars, since UP 458 came into Portland about nine in the evening. So this car also had to be moved to the GN/NP coach yard.

In 1950, the GN said that its train (459 & 460) had a diner, and the NP said that its day train, (407 & 408) had a restaurant car. All of the day trains had parlor cars then.

Johnny

Deggesty:

passengerfan:

The UP brought a through Chicago - Seattle sleeping car from the City of Portland north from Portland as well as four SP sleeping cars from the Cascade. Once in Seattle the four SP sleeping cars were moved from Union Station to King St. Station under the Fourth Ave viaduct where they taken to the GN / NP coach yard for departure the next day on the NP pool train to Portland and the connection with that days southbound SP Cascade. Tickets were interchangeable from any of the three RRs that operated the pool trains.  

Al, the Seattle-Chicago car had to go back to Portland on the NP day train, along with the Seattle-San Francisco cars, since UP 458 came into Portland about nine in the evening. So this car also had to be moved to the GN/NP coach yard.

In 1950, the GN said that its train (459 & 460) had a diner, and the NP said that its day train, (407 & 408) had a restaurant car. All of the day trains had parlor cars then.

Johnny

Only remember the GN train having an attendant selling sandwiches, and drinks at ones seat on there pool train. Remember the NP had a full dining car a half lounge half Parlor car guess that would be about 1954 or 1955. If memory serves me right there was also an overnight pool train operated by each road for about three months at a time. Never rode the night train. The southbound UP train made connections with the Portland Rose out of Portland.

My question is name the GN lightweight streamlined Glacier series sleeping cars?

Al in Stockton 

passengerfan:

My question is name the GN lightweight streamlined Glacier series sleeping cars?

Delivered in 1947 for the first light weight Empire Builder:
#1170 Blackfoot Glacier
#1171 Ahern Glacier
#1172 Grinnell Glacier
#1173 Hanging Glacier
#1174 Many Glacier
#1175 Oberlin Glacier
#1176 Sexton Glacier
#1177 Harrison Glacier
#1178 Sperry Glacier - CB&Q car pooled to Empire Builder service
#1179 Siyeh Glacier - CB&Q
 

Then there was new equipment delivered in 1950 for the Western Star.  These were needed for a 6th set of trains needed for the new slower schedule.  These sleepers were in addition to the ones handed down from the Empire Builder when they outfitted the Mid-Century Builder:

#1181 Kintla Glacier
#1182 Agassiz Glacier
#1183 Hudson Glacier
#1184 Chaney Glacier
#1185 Paradise Glacier
#1186 Pumpelly Glacier
#1187 Tahoma Glacier
#1188 Two Ocean Glaicer

I have no idea what happened to #1180 and how it ended up being a different floor plan ("Pass" series) very confusing.