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Last post 02-14-2008 6:46 PM by lionelsoni. 6 replies.
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02-14-2008 12:53 AM
Offline Boyd
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How many Lionel GP9s to pull a real boxcar?

I remember seeing in a book the picture of a Lionel N&W J in a promo photo on Lionel track that was sitting on top of a rail with a string  going to the front of a real N&W J. Say if you got a real unloaded boxcar on flat straight track with the brakes off, how many Lionel 2 motor GP9s would it take to move it? Whats the tractive effort of a 2 motor GP9?
02-14-2008 3:06 AM In reply to
Offline Kooljock1
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Re: How many Lionel GP9s to pull a real boxcar?

I don't think Lionel has made a two-motored GP-9 yet.

Jon Cool [8D]
02-14-2008 3:39 AM In reply to
Offline Nick12DMC
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Re: How many Lionel GP9s to pull a real boxcar?

I did see a picture of one of the German manufactures pulling a real coach/passenger car with a large number of HO locos. Guess you could do somthing similar with O. Maybe someone has got some more info.

Nick 

 

 

02-14-2008 7:46 AM In reply to
Offline philo426
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Re: How many Lionel GP9s to pull a real boxcar?

I found the pic in All Aboard by Ron Hollander. 
02-14-2008 10:11 AM In reply to
Offline Wes Whitmore
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Re: How many Lionel GP9s to pull a real boxcar?

In the CTT mag, they list the draw power of the engines that they test.  Most are just over a pound.  If a person can get a real boxcar moving by himself ( I haven't got a clue if its even possible), then I would say 100-150.  Once you got it moving, you wouldn't need as many.  If you can find the draw weight of the box car, you should be able to get a rough estimate.  Of course for the cost of 150 engines, you could just buy the real thing and save the headaches!
Wes
02-14-2008 5:32 PM In reply to
Offline tcripe
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Re: How many Lionel GP9s to pull a real boxcar?

 Kooljock1 wrote:
I don't think Lionel has made a two-motored GP-9 yet.

Jon Cool [8D]

Yes, Lionel's 2-motor GP-9's have the DC can motors in the trucks.

- Terry 

02-14-2008 6:46 PM In reply to
Offline lionelsoni
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Re: How many Lionel GP9s to pull a real boxcar?

A typical railroad car can carry about 3 times its own weight.  The empty weight of a 4-axle car is therefore about equal to the maximum axle loading, which is usually 33 tons in America.  A rule of thumb is that the drawbar force needed to move a car on level track is equivalent to a .25-percent grade, or 1/400 of the car's weight.  That works out to 165 pounds.

The force to start the car was an issue with the now-forbidden friction bearings (which gave rise to the technique of "bunching the slack" to start a train); but it is not so important with modern roller bearings.

Notice that the way those strings are angled upward from the toy-train's coupler, they would lift the tender off the track before any serious pulling could happen.

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