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12-05-2007 10:32 AM
Offline J Campbell
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Prefix corn-fusion...

What does the "SD" in SD70 (for example) stand for?  It's been driving me crazy.Laugh [(-D]
12-05-2007 10:42 AM In reply to
Online jeffrey-wimberly
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

Special Duty.
12-05-2007 10:49 AM In reply to
Offline J Campbell
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

Special duty as in how?

What I mean is, what made the SD units special duty...if that makes any sense.Laugh [(-D]

...and correct me if I'm wrong, but "GP" stands for general purpose, correct?

12-05-2007 10:58 AM In reply to
Offline cwclark
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

  The SD (Special duty)  refers also to it having 6 axle trucks while a GP (General Purpose) refers to axles of 4....chuck
12-05-2007 10:58 AM In reply to
Offline Blind Bruce
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

J campbell , you might have better responses by posting this question in the prototype section of the MR forums.

12-05-2007 11:03 AM In reply to
Offline Texas Zepher
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

 J Campbell wrote:
Special duty as in how?
You would have to research EMDs marketing department records to determine this for certain, but consider this.  An SD unit is higher horsepower but has 6-axle trucks so it could be used in special situations where HP is needed but only one unit is to be assigned.  Why assign two costly units when one only slightly more expensive unit will do.   The downside of the special duty is that it is special in that it cannot necessarily go onto all trackage where a GP unit could.   A classic case is the Monarch branch of the D&RGW.  A single SD unit would have been ideal for the service but the 18 degree curves were too tight for an SD so they had to use two GPs instead.

I don't believe EMD ever imagined that the SD would become the flagship of the fleet when it was first introduced.

12-05-2007 11:04 AM In reply to
Offline J Campbell
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

Bruce - 10-4.  Didn't think about that.  Thanks Boss*.Thumbs Up [tup]

*Get it?  Bruce...as in Springsteen...the Boss...nevermind.

12-06-2007 3:14 AM In reply to
Offline twcenterprises
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

 Texas Zepher wrote:

 J Campbell wrote:
Special duty as in how?
You would have to research EMDs marketing department records to determine this for certain, but consider this.  An SD unit is higher horsepower but has 6-axle trucks so it could be used in special situations where HP is needed but only one unit is to be assigned.  Why assign two costly units when one only slightly more expensive unit will do.   The downside of the special duty is that it is special in that it cannot necessarily go onto all trackage where a GP unit could.   A classic case is the Monarch branch of the D&RGW.  A single SD unit would have been ideal for the service but the 18 degree curves were too tight for an SD so they had to use two GPs instead.

I don't believe EMD ever imagined that the SD would become the flagship of the fleet when it was first introduced.

Another reason was that (early) SD's had lower axle weights than their GP counterparts, so they could run on light branchlines and bridges that the GP's would overload (by axle loadings).  That was one of EMD's primary selling points for the early SD's.

Texas Zepher has the right idea, even if he didn't explain it perfectly.  The early SD's and GP's (of the same series, say comparing a GP9 and an SD9), had the same horsepower ratings, but since the SD's had 6 traction motors instead of a GP's 4, it had a higher tonnage rating.  The GP's were better suited for higher speed gearing and fast running, where the SD's were better suited for lower gearing and heavy pulling.

Today, you don't see 6,000 horsepower GP locomotives, because all that power to 4 axles would do nothing but spin.  There are limits on how much power you can transmit to the rails before spinning your wheels (it gets into friction coefficients, adhesion, and other highly technical things).  That's one reason why modern (high horsepower) locomotives have 6 axles.

Brad 

12-06-2007 3:21 AM In reply to
Offline modelmaker51
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

The explanation is much simpler: GP=General Purpose=road switcher, multi-purpose.

                                            SD=Special Duty=Road Engine, single purpose. That's it, period.

12-06-2007 4:42 AM In reply to
Offline jktrains
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Re: Prefix corn-fusion...

Brad's explanation is correct; its not as simple as Jay makes it out to be.  The original reasons had more to do with axle loadings than with road switcher vs road engine classification.  If I understand Jay's explanation, a GP unit wouldn't be used as a road engine on mainline through freight, only SDs would and GP units would be assigned to road switcher status - basically local runs.  If so, why was there no SD30 or GP24?   There was a horsepower increase from the GP7/9s to GP18s,GP20s and especially to the SD24.  I suspect that the reasons had more to do with horsepower spread among traction motors/axles than road switcher (GP) vs road engine (SD).  GP30s were primarily used as road engines when introduced and handled high priority freight

Motive power assignments had more to do with tonnage, tractive effort, ruling grades and loading restrictions. 

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