General Discussion

al-in-chgo wrote:

Railway Man wrote: I really did just FOFLMAO.  Thanks for the laugh on an otherwise awful day. Great fun!  But on one of the questions you're right . . .  did'ja know that?  - al

Yeah, number 4 is right.  But the rest were more fun.

oltmannd wrote:

al-in-chgo wrote:  Railway Man wrote: I really did just FOFLMAO.  Thanks for the laugh on an otherwise awful day. Great fun!  But on one of the questions you're right . . .  did'ja know that?  - al  Yeah, number 4 is right.  But the rest were more fun.

And you were partly right on question no. 1.

al-in-chgo wrote:

passengerfan wrote: Sorry Mark, Its Al in Stockton and am leaving on a Railfan Vacation this AM for two weeks. So will not be participating until I get back. Am going to try the new camera and lenses at Cajon, Tehachapi, LAUPT, Coast Line, and Surf Line. Al - in - Stockton  Let me toss in a question just to keep the wheels turning:  - What was the M10000? - What indvidual designed it? - What company fabricated it?  - What company operated it?  - What was its more commonly used name?  - and - - Why is it considered the second of its kind?  - a.s.

Oh boy this is a toughy....

1) Nicked named little 'Zippy' it was one of the first 4 car Articulate 'strainset' stream lined trains of its day. Powered by a 600hp Winton gas motor, it had 4 cars orginally released but one was removed and sent to the M10001 City of Portland, I think the sleeping car.

2) Hmmm Art Deco styling Raymond Loewy or Otto Kuhler....

3) Pullman Standard

4) The Union Pacific

5) the littly Zippy or the 'City of Salina'

6) Second of its kind? Argh because it beat the Burlington Zephyr 9900 by 6 weeks? Or because it was developed off of the Mckeen gas motor car?

Wyonate wrote:

FEC? Nate

CSX, though FEC was once the mightiest.

J. Daddy wrote:

al-in-chgo wrote:  passengerfan wrote: Sorry Mark, Its Al in Stockton and am leaving on a Railfan Vacation this AM for two weeks. So will not be participating until I get back. Am going to try the new camera and lenses at Cajon, Tehachapi, LAUPT, Coast Line, and Surf Line. Al - in - Stockton  Let me toss in a question just to keep the wheels turning:  - What was the M10000? - What indvidual designed it? - What company fabricated it?  - What company operated it?  - What was its more commonly used name?  - and - - Why is it considered the second of its kind?  - a.s.    Oh boy this is a toughy.... 1) Nicked named little 'Zippy' it was one of the first 4 car Articulate 'strainset' stream lined trains of its day. Powered by a 600hp Winton gas motor, it had 4 cars orginally released but one was removed and sent to the M10001 City of Portland, I think the sleeping car. 2) Hmmm Art Deco styling Raymond Loewy or Otto Kuhler.... 3) Pullman Standard 4) The Union Pacific 5) the littly Zippy or the 'City of Salina' 6) Second of its kind? Argh because it beat the Burlington Zephyr 9900 by 6 weeks? Or because it was developed off of the Mckeen gas motor car?

re:  1)  Also nicknamed the "flying banana" for its use of UP Armour Yellow according to uprr.com

      2)  Nobody has gotten that right yet.

      3)   Wrong  [small hint:  if you get no. 2 right, no.3  will follow logically]. 

      4)  Yep.

       5)  Accounts vary as to whether the M10000 was named that from the git-go,

            but we do know it was called City of Salina in revenue service in 1936.  Right.

1.The first American streamlined passenger train

2.Averell Harriman?

3.Pullman Standard?

4.Union Pacific

5."Little Zip"?

6.The Flying Hamburger was built before it

Stevo3751 wrote:

1.The first American streamlined passenger train 2.Averell Harriman? 3.Pullman Standard? 4.Union Pacific 5."Little Zip"? 6.The Flying Hamburger was built before it

2)  Averell Harriman was president of the UP; I don't know if it was during the 1930s but it makes sense.  However, I don't mean the man who HAD it designed.  I mean the (big hint):  American who headed up the design team at (no. 3 answer, also the company that fabricated the M10000. 

What a coincidence.  Al have you been reading Model Railroader's August 2008 product reviews?

Jeff

PS, it doesn't give all the answers to Al's questions.  I also think they may disagree with one of the answers.  

jeffhergert wrote:

What a coincidence.  Al have you been reading Model Railroader's August 2008 product reviews? Jeff PS, it doesn't give all the answers to Al's questions.  I also think they may disagree with one of the answers.

Okay, here are the answers based on my research, most of it thru uprr dot com/history:

Let me toss in a question just to keep the wheels turning: 

- What was the M10000?   Streamliner (designed trainset) that entered service in 1934.

- What indvidual designed it?   Harley Earl, head of a team at General Motors.

- What company fabricated it?  General Motors

- What company operated it?  UP

- What was its more commonly used name?   City of Salina (reports differ:  one said it was called that from the start; another said the name was applied in 1936 when the train entered revenue service on a fixed schedule) - and -

- Why is it considered the second of its kind?   It is and it isn't.  Most historians refer to the Pioneer Zephyr as the first of its time, but actually the M10000 ran first - a.s. 

So where do MR and I fall apart? 

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MR says delivered to the UP by Pullman Standard.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. 

Jeff 

jeffhergert wrote:

MR says delivered to the UP by Pullman Standard. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.  Jeff

Probably.  The surprise to me in all this was that it wasn't an internationally-known designer like Raymond Loewy, but a man who would go on to achieve fame as a car designer. 

Next question?  I don't know who "won" this one; it was more a matter of different people chipping in. 

Whoever's out there now, if you've got a question, now's the time to pose it!  - a.s.

J. Daddy wrote:

What was the final answers? Did I get no. 6 right refering to the Mckeen gas car?

I'll have to give you credit for your own answer to no. 6, but I was thinking along the lines of the M10000's usually being considered the second designed streamliner to run in the USA, although it actually ran first. 

Another answer to no. 6 that correctly speaks to the "second" theme put the M10000 just after Germany's "Flying Hamburger" which I believe also is correct. 

What I'm curious about is this:  what's the big whoop about Salina, KS?  Pretty small city, isn't it? 

SOOOooo, it's time to pose another question.  Anyone??   

al-in-chgo wrote:

J. Daddy wrote: What was the final answers? Did I get no. 6 right refering to the Mckeen gas car? I'll have to give you credit for your own answer to no. 6, but I was thinking along the lines of the M10000's usually being considered the second designed streamliner to run in the USA, although it actually ran first.  Another answer to no. 6 that correctly speaks to the "second" theme put the M10000 just after Germany's "Flying Hamburger" which I believe also is correct.  What I'm curious about is this:  what's the big whoop about Salina, KS?  Pretty small city, isn't it?  SOOOooo, it's time to pose another question.  Anyone??

How about Salinas California?

A quicky.  The LIRR has a decent sized fleet of unique short commuter coaches know for their lousy ride.  Some of them are still around in tourist line service.  What nick name did they go by?

Hint:  Think of an apropros 2008 Olympic sport.