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Harsh treatment from BNSF police.

  • I just recently went to get some pictures by corwith yard in chicago. I got some suggestions from some other fellows on here to see where I could go around the yard without getting tooclose to the tracks. I ended up at a viaduct on the North lead into the yard. Now everytime I go train watching i ALWAYS stay atleast 10 or 15 feet away from the closest rail. I was taking some shots of a loaded intermodal train, when right after the last car past, A BNSF Police ford explorer pulled up.    We said, Top of the morning to ya, Just trying to be nice and civil with him, He responded real quick, " Shut off the camera and the cam corder right now!" We said ok, no problem. He took down all our Names, Our phone # and address. Then told us, and I qoute, Get offBNSF property now. No one is allowed on any railroad property exept for authorized personnel, We said, (Being real civil) We arent on the tracks, Were not even 15 feet close to the tracks, Were not doing any harm. He used the excuse, Oh well no one is allowed to take pictures our eqipment anymore due to circumstances with the war and the 9/11 attacks. We asked if we could take pictures from the side walk, (IN A PUBLIC NEIGHBORHOOD). He said, absolutly not! If any of you ever get caught taking pictures (on Or near) BNSF property, We will be arrested on the spot and the film and tape will be desrtoyed.            Now whats funny to me is, In the summer of 2002, 1 year after 9/11, We got approched by a BNSF police officer on the east end of Eola yard. He just told us that we could'nt take pictures anymore that day at that spot, He told us if we wanted to get shots it would have to be on a public side walk or street. Yet he did at first tell us he didnt have a problem with us taking pictures, He just had to do his job which is understandable and we respected that, so we just left the spot for the day. we eventually came back, a month or two after that, and yet a BNSF cop past right nexted to us. He jut waved as he entered the yard. When he exited, He just stopped and said, Make sure you guys dont go out on the tracks, And we taked to him for a while, just discussing about whats goin on in the yard. He took us up on our offer of some fresh Krispy cremes too. He was a real nice guy. He said the railroad police dont have problems with railfans they incurage it, as long as its being done safly. So im wondering why now, all of a sudden, 6 years after 9/11, Its now becoming an issue for train watching? Has anyone else had this problem?  Thanks, Dillon
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  •  Newyorkcentralfan wrote:

     Erie Lackawanna wrote:

    You were trespassing. Doesn't matter that you were doing it safely, you were trespassing.

     

    And your proof this tresspassing actually occured is what? Just because the BNSF RR police said so doesn't prove their statement has any relationship with reality.

    The problem is there are three situations and so far I have seen all three represented here and some people are getting confused especially on the bottom two and how the RR police act towards you is usually reflected by how you act in those situations.  I have seen people do number three because they feel it is thier right to do so.  Then they act rude with the police and help ruin it for the rest of us.  If you do #3 expect a problem

    1- Not Tresspassing on RR property (ie on a municipal sidewalk, bridge road etc). 

    2- 'Innocently Tresspassing' - Not knowing you were on private property (ie property not marked with No Trespassing signs) but not on the ROW

    3 - Blatently tresspassing - intentionally going past the no tresspassing sign, going through/over a fence, standing on the ROW even just to look down the tracks etc

     

    Ric Hamilton Berwick, NS Click here to visit my Website
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     Erie Lackawanna wrote:

    You were trespassing. Doesn't matter that you were doing it safely, you were trespassing.

     

    And your proof this tresspassing actually occured is what? Just because the BNSF RR police said so doesn't prove their statement has any relationship with reality.

    Here's a tip if your ever harassed by government police. Get their badge number and name if you can. Most times the name is on a nameplate on the uniform. Then go and make a complaint with your local police review board. By law they have to take it and investigate it.

    The reason for doing this is that even if they find in the cops favor the complaint goes in their jacket and follows them forever. Too many complaints can keep them from getting advancement. Obviously, don't tell them that you're going to do this. All that will cause them to do is take more copious notes of the incident. 

     

  •  EJE818 wrote:
    I told him that I never heard of any law that says that. He just said don't you be taking photos. He didn't say anything else about it being illegal to take photos, and I haven't had any problems with CN since.
    Priceless.
  • I told him that I never heard of any law that says that. He just said don't you be taking photos. He didn't say anything else about it being illegal to take photos, and I haven't had any problems with CN since.
    Robby Gragg - EJ&E fan Railpictures photos: http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=5292 Flickr photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24084206@N08/ Youtube videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=EJE665 R-V videos: http://www.rail-videos.net/showvideos.php?userid=5292
  •  EJE818 wrote:
    , a CN officer walked over to us and told us it was illegal to take photos of trains from ANY property, even if it is public property.
    I hope you asked what law that was. You know, federal, state, muncipal? What section? What code?
  • That incident took place at Morton Grove, IL when Metra police told two photographers that it was against the law to take photos, and that there were lawa that superceded the constitution. There have also been numerous incidents of people being thrown out of Pine Junction in Gary, Indiana, which is one of the premier places to see trains in the Chicago area. CSX has been throwing people off the EJ&E side at Pine Junction, which is a good 50-100 yards from the CSX tracks depending on where you park. I have never heard of anyone getting thrown out by EJ&E, most of their employees are very friendly and encourage photography from there. CSX, however, says they have authority over EJ&E and NS and can throw you out if they see you taking photos of EJ&E or NS trains, even from public property. CN has also told people to leave from public property, One time at Homewood, I was standing on a public sidewalk across the street from Homewood Yard, a CN officer walked over to us and told us it was illegal to take photos of trains from ANY property, even if it is public property. The funny thing is they just finished the railroad park in Homewood. Whats next? Is CN going to tell people they can't take photos from the railroad park? If you come to Chicago I suggest staying away from CSX if you don't want to be hassled.
    Robby Gragg - EJ&E fan Railpictures photos: http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=5292 Flickr photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24084206@N08/ Youtube videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=EJE665 R-V videos: http://www.rail-videos.net/showvideos.php?userid=5292
  •  magicman710 wrote:

    I think the government should make it so if that you go to your local City Hall, they can give you a licence wich would allow you to photgraph and record trains, as long as your not on railroad property,

    You already have this. You are allowed by law to do exactly what you describe, and anyone who attempts to stop you from doing so is violating the law.

    The cops who try to make up laws on the spot rely on people's ignorance of their rights to push them around.

    One cop told a railfan that there was a new law that superceded the US Constitution prohibiting railfanning. He didn't get away with it (ultimately), but if someone told me that, I'd laugh in his face.

  •  EJE818 wrote:
    one time at Blue Island, a CSX officer told me that watching (not just photographing!) CSX trains from anywhere, public property or not, was not allowed and then asked us to leave from a sidewalk.
    Again, 100% not true.

     

  • Around here it is quite different. CSX police are the people you don't want to run into. Around Chicago they think they own everything and always tell people to leave, even if they are on public property. I have never had a problem with BNSF but one time at Blue Island, a CSX officer told me that watching (not just photographing!) CSX trains from anywhere, public property or not, was not allowed and then asked us to leave from a sidewalk. I have been back there since and haven't been bothered again. They are known for throwing people off public property all the time around here.
    Robby Gragg - EJ&E fan Railpictures photos: http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=5292 Flickr photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/24084206@N08/ Youtube videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=EJE665 R-V videos: http://www.rail-videos.net/showvideos.php?userid=5292
  • I think the government should make it so if that you go to your local City Hall, they can give you a licence wich would allow you to photgraph and record trains, as long as your not on railroad property, and if the rr cops tell you to shut off the cameras, show them the licence, and if they refuse, just BEAT EM' UP!! Laugh [(-D]

    CSX cops are alot nicer than BNSF cops, they like railfans.

     

    Grayson

    "Lionel trains are the standard of the world" - Jousha Lionel Cowen

  • Railfanning in Manitoba, i've never had any problems, only if you cross strict tresspass boundaries would you have any trouble

    TMC (CNR Mixed train GMD1 1063 with combine coach) (Remember always at Railway X-ing's, (Stop, Look and Listen!)
  •  videomaker wrote:
     No Military shipments can be photo'd NO EXCEPTIONS !
     
    Please show me the law that makes this act illegal.
  • Myself,5 year old son,and a friend of mine were on a public bridge(on the sidewalk) over Argentine Yard in Kansas City last week and were stopped by a BNSF cop who after checking ids mentioned that he would appreciate it if we would  move along. A few days later we were stopped by a UP policeman at Airline Jct. who took our info and told us to be careful and off he went. I wish I would have mentioned to the BNSF cop about having the BNSF railfan card to see what his reaction might be,but forgot I even had it. I think next time I'm in KC I'll go check out Argentine again!

     

    Doug

  •  I didnt read all three pgs of this dicussion but did anyone mention showing their official BNSF Photographers Railfan ID ? As long as you take pics from a public ROW they should not bother you. I havent heard anything about them changing the rules that were put in place at the time they were issued..No Military shipments can be photo'd NO EXCEPTIONS ! IF you tresspass you can be arrested (they're dicretion) or issued a citation. I have my BNSF ID and show it if Im ever stopped. Since I have had it I have not been stopped or harrased..If you dont have a railfan ID from BNSF I suggest you ask about it the next time you are stopped. They may still have something about how to get them on their website..BE SAFE and OBEY THE LAW ! Danny 
     BNSFreak wrote:
    I just recently went to get some pictures by corwith yard in chicago. I got some suggestions from some other fellows on here to see where I could go around the yard without getting tooclose to the tracks. I ended up at a viaduct on the North lead into the yard. Now everytime I go train watching i ALWAYS stay atleast 10 or 15 feet away from the closest rail. I was taking some shots of a loaded intermodal train, when right after the last car past, A BNSF Police ford explorer pulled up.    We said, Top of the morning to ya, Just trying to be nice and civil with him, He responded real quick, " Shut off the camera and the cam corder right now!" We said ok, no problem. He took down all our Names, Our phone # and address. Then told us, and I qoute, Get offBNSF property now. No one is allowed on any railroad property exept for authorized personnel, We said, (Being real civil) We arent on the tracks, Were not even 15 feet close to the tracks, Were not doing any harm. He used the excuse, Oh well no one is allowed to take pictures our eqipment anymore due to circumstances with the war and the 9/11 attacks. We asked if we could take pictures from the side walk, (IN A PUBLIC NEIGHBORHOOD). He said, absolutly not! If any of you ever get caught taking pictures (on Or near) BNSF property, We will be arrested on the spot and the film and tape will be desrtoyed.            Now whats funny to me is, In the summer of 2002, 1 year after 9/11, We got approched by a BNSF police officer on the east end of Eola yard. He just told us that we could'nt take pictures anymore that day at that spot, He told us if we wanted to get shots it would have to be on a public side walk or street. Yet he did at first tell us he didnt have a problem with us taking pictures, He just had to do his job which is understandable and we respected that, so we just left the spot for the day. we eventually came back, a month or two after that, and yet a BNSF cop past right nexted to us. He jut waved as he entered the yard. When he exited, He just stopped and said, Make sure you guys dont go out on the tracks, And we taked to him for a while, just discussing about whats goin on in the yard. He took us up on our offer of some fresh Krispy cremes too. He was a real nice guy. He said the railroad police dont have problems with railfans they incurage it, as long as its being done safly. So im wondering why now, all of a sudden, 6 years after 9/11, Its now becoming an issue for train watching? Has anyone else had this problem?  Thanks, Dillon
    Danny