nordique72 wrote: "No, I never said the GP40X was massed produce. A mass production is hundreds and even thousands of models. GE massed produced the Gevo. They have made over a thousand models in the last three years. That is a lot of locomotives. lets see about 350 per year..... The GP40X....23 maybe 4 or 5 per month. Not mass produced.So come on. This is really stupid to talk about. Obviously it takes three brain cells to argue about this, so I'm done. At least I know when to quit." border="0" width="15" height="15" />" Uh, James- I was talking to Atmo on that point- sorry if I made it sound like I was talking to you- I completely agree with your points about mass production- it's Atmo's idea of mass production that I was talking about.
"No, I never said the GP40X was massed produce. A mass production is hundreds and even thousands of models. GE massed produced the Gevo. They have made over a thousand models in the last three years. That is a lot of locomotives. lets see about 350 per year..... The GP40X....23 maybe 4 or 5 per month. Not mass produced.
So come on. This is really stupid to talk about. Obviously it takes three brain cells to argue about this, so I'm done. At least I know when to quit." border="0" width="15" height="15" />"
Uh, James- I was talking to Atmo on that point- sorry if I made it sound like I was talking to you- I completely agree with your points about mass production- it's Atmo's idea of mass production that I was talking about.
Oh...... sorry I didn't know. I guess.... I feel a little embarrassed.
Ya um okay onwards with what you were doing.
Happy railroading
James
James,
S'all right- it was an honest mistake, no offense taken or anything!
Getting back to the original theme of this thread- now that the CN has retired her- I surely do hope though that ex-NP SD45 could somehow find it's way up to Duluth for preservation- I know they'd do a top notch job of restoring it into it's proper NP Pullman Green/Yellow paint. They did an awesome job of restoring the 700, and I am really looking forward to seeing the DSSA RS1 they're working on get a full repainting soon too.
As for the second part of the discussion relating to production- I'll just let Atmo talk himself silly trying to defend his outlandish ideas- there's no point in trying to debate production numbers with someone who thinks 50 total models built can be considered "mass production" when EMD just completed a 1,250 unit order of SD70Ms for UP. THAT is mass production.
GP15-1s are nothing like SD45T-2s. GP15-1s were pretty much built for yard service and locals. BNSF has over 4000 Dash 9s plus some AC4400CWs, UP, CSX, NS, CP, and CN also have bought tons of Dash 9s and AC4400CWs, plus UP has thousands of SD70Ms along with the AC4400CWs. Those are are examples of what mass production is, plus plenty of SD70ACes/SD70M-2s and GEVOs are being built as we speak. It is always nice seeing SD45s, or any other vintage engine for that matter, be preserved. Hopefully that NP SD45 works out.
nordique72 wrote:James, S'all right- it was an honest mistake, no offense taken or anything!Getting back to the original theme of this thread- now that the CN has retired her- I surely do hope though that ex-NP SD45 could somehow find it's way up to Duluth for preservation- I know they'd do a top notch job of restoring it into it's proper NP Pullman Green/Yellow paint. They did an awesome job of restoring the 700, and I am really looking forward to seeing the DSSA RS1 they're working on get a full repainting soon too. As for the second part of the discussion relating to production- I'll just let Atmo talk himself silly trying to defend his outlandish ideas- there's no point in trying to debate production numbers with someone who thinks 50 total models built can be considered "mass production" when EMD just completed a 1,250 unit order of SD70Ms for UP. THAT is mass production.
Yea, we fired the RS-1 up this fall for the SLH&TS meeting, and she fired up fine, but wont move under her own power. Dan Mackey got one side of the cab repainted, and it looks great. As far as full repainting, it is at the furthest reach of our minds currently, (most likely owing to the fact we dont own it) but we plan to start running it soon hopefully.
Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."
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Ya we hope to have it running under it's own power in the near future. The Soo line historical society (The society that owns this RS1) has literaly put it on perminent lease to the museum. So pretty much we have it forever. As long as the SLH&S doesn't have any room for it. By the sounds of it, from our operations manager and Mr. Mackey, The Society actually wants it to stay in Duluth. They want Mr. Mackey to finish the paint job on it, and they want it to run at the museum. Just like they want the 2719 to stay and run at the museum also. But there's a whole story behind the 2719 and why it actually ended up in Duluth. maybe another time though.
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outlandish...? my ideas of mass production derived from the TV show i watch called "Gundam", a show depicting futuristic war using giant robots as vehicles.
in Gundam, if 10 or more of these giant robots are made, they're considered mass production and none are used by high-ranking officers. sometimes the powerful mechs have multiples made. they're still custom made though if there are just 3 or 4 made. hence mass production is anything over 10
yes, i'm comparing giant fictional robots to locomotives, but they're both machine vehicles, so the principle is essentially the same
another base for my ideas of production numbers is if it's hard to find and see the specific machine during its time of major use, then it's custom made. sure there were 23 GP40Xs, but i feel sure that they were scattered across the country if UP owned them. since UP's trackage network is so vast
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Lord Atmo wrote:outlandish...? my ideas of mass production derived from the TV show i watch called "Gundam", a show depicting futuristic war using giant robots as vehicles. in Gundam, if 10 or more of these giant robots are made, they're considered mass production and none are used by high-ranking officers. sometimes the powerful mechs have multiples made. they're still custom made though if there are just 3 or 4 made. hence mass production is anything over 10yes, i'm comparing giant fictional robots to locomotives, but they're both machine vehicles, so the principle is essentially the sameanother base for my ideas of production numbers is if it's hard to find and see the specific machine during its time of major use, then it's custom made. sure there were 23 GP40Xs, but i feel sure that they were scattered across the country if UP owned them. since UP's trackage network is so vast
So your getting your information from a kids show?
not a kid show. trust me. there are some pretty intense scenes in it. a whole series was banned from the USA even. it's about war, and war is NEVER pretty or kid-friendly
i digress....why are we debating opinions on what mass production and custom made are? both the SD45T-2 and the SD45 were mass produced. i think we can agree on that. moving along. sheesh
and having just learned that this particular unit actually WAS ex NP, i have changed my stance. i had initially thought it was to be painted NP just for the sake of giving an SD45 NP paint. so i support this now
Atmo- Wow.... you got your idea for mass production from a Japanese anime show.... I am speechless. Please tell me you are joking. I certainly hope you don't write term papers using Japanese anime shows as source material...
(As for the UP GP40Xs they actually kept the units in close proximity to one another since the fleet was so small (6 units). Aside from being used on the hotshot intermodal trains, the UP also liked using them on executive passenger specials in the early 80s.) (ATSF had 10, SP had 4 and SOU had 3 to round out the full 23 units built.)
Coborn- I'm glad to hear you guys in Duluth have gotten the DSSA RS1 fired up...it's one step closer to true preservation! I am a member of the SLTHS and wasn't able to make it to Duluth last year (had to choose between that and the MILW meet in Montana- needless to say the MILW won out.) but I would love to get back up there again. Y'all do a great job on all your units- and I appreciate the work all the volunteers put in to keep railroads like the DSSA and SOO alive up there in the Twin Ports.
Speaking of WC SD45s, I went by Homewood today and there are WC SD45s in the deadlines again, and the lead engine of the line was WC 7514, which was the last one in service.
Ok ok ok! Slow down. You guys are getting to technical! Here, hopefully this will clear things up.
Im talking about a straight SD45. Not tunnel motors, and not SD45-2s. James, while they may be the same thing on the inside, the frame is much different. And the SD45T-2 is LONGER than the SD45. So is the SD45-2. So really, they arent the same. Sure, they have 20 cylinders, but they also have HTC trucks, and Dash 2 electronics. SD45s didnt. Apples and oranges!
Alec
thank you, Alec. while they may all be parts of the SD45 series, they aren't all Sd45s. just like SD60Ms, SD60MACs, SD60Is and SD60Fs are part of the SD60 series, but are not SD60s