Genesis suck! Stick with the F40PH

[Anonymous]

Did the F40PH have trouble keeping passengers comfy in the wintertime?

[chad thomas]

Let me start by saying my favorite passenger loco is the F40PH. It is the loco of my generation and I have always been a fan of cowl units. I hated to see them go. But these locos had an 3.5-5 million miles on them (the Caltrain locos probably have less then 500k). It's not just a matter of dropping a new prime mover into it. There are other considerations. The trucks,traction motors,main generator, radiators, compressors, HEP and controll stand all need to be addressed. And one of the biggest factors is the condition of the wireing both in the electrical cabinet and the rest of the loco in general. Then there is the general condition of the car body, 5 million miles has got to take it's toll.

Fortuneatly we should see the commuter F40s in service for many more years. Just look at how long some of the E7 / F7s lasted in commuter service.

[Ham549]

Sending some of the F40's to Larry’s truck and electric was also a bad idea come on give them to people who could use them I know plenty of museums that would want them (it could be used as a tax right off). The MBTA uses F4o’s and they give a great ride good acceleration. If you want a brand new locomotive use the design that has proven it’s self, with a few upgrades of coarse ;-)

[coborn35]

Why, they already have P42's.
Also, its a much bigger process than just "dumping" the unit on some museum.

[trainboyH16-44]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549

Oh god..no, I don't want to 'let a n|gga drive a train'...

[Anonymous]

At least the Grand Canyon Railway has a few F40PHs.

[chad thomas]

CSX bought a couple too. They look sharp in CSX colors.

I think Philip Anshutz has 3 F40s in DRGW colors on the ski train.

Metrolink has at least one.

Caltrains has a bunch of em'

Ace has a few.

Via still runs them.

I think the MBTA still has a bunch.

I also heard that Doyle McCormick is or has got one, but I don't know if there's any truth to that. Can someone verify this?

[nssr9169]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549

Amtrak always ask for money yet they get rid of there Greate F40PH fleet to buy crappy Genesis locomotives. Whats with that?

Please have some knowage before making accusations like that crap.......

The F40's replaced the Funits, and it was their turn to go.......the Genesis locomotives may look like a brick with a 45 degree angle cut into them but the proforme great..... are more efficant.... and comply with stricter unoin laws for crew men.[;)]

Smart decisiion I think...... a case of bad styling perhaps......

Try looking beond what's pritty!!!![;)]

[Ham549]

I work at a museum and I bet the other members would agree with me that it would be nice to have a F40PH.

[Anonymous]

Well, my favorite passenger engine is the FP45. But, we all know how bad those were. Ran terrible, couldn't see a thing, were noisey as hell, and it was a hassle to climb up into the cab. And those were the nice parts, ha ha[:D]. But seriously, F40s were great, but their time in long-haul Amtrak service was up. That's why so many commuter railroads snatched them up. They were origonally intended to be the Amtrak commuter/short haul engines while the SDP40Fs handled the long trains, but since we all know what happened to them, Amtrak put the F40s into everything service.
Then they got the P32-8Ws, which rode like crap and hand tons of mechanical problems (they still survive as Amtrak switchers and back up locomotives, though). Then the P40 came out, and later the P42. As ugly as they may be (I personally love them), they are a newer alternative to the aged F40s, many of whom were nearly falling apart towards their end. Most were rebuilt into cabbages, some were sold, shopped, and began new lives for other railroads. Thus the legacy of Amtrak F40s came to a close.

And to my knowledge, the toilet was back behind the cab on an F40 like a P42, not in the nose.

[coborn35]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ham549

I work at a museum and I bet the other members would agree with me that it would be nice to have a F40PH.

Yes, it would be nice to have one, but HOW are you going to fix it up!? It simply is not feasable!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: the Genesis locomotives may look like a brick with a 45 degree angle cut into them

true [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D]

[Gluefinger]

QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

You are a typical railfan. You think the railroads should use the "pretty" locomotives so tyou can get a nice shot.
Dont get me wrong. I love the F40's. But they wore out their welcome.

I'm sure that you, as an expert engineer and mechanic, know everything about locomotives. You're a railfan. Why be such a jerk?

[coborn35]

His post had no information backing it up! And I am not just a railfan. I do work with locomotives!

Why dont you check the Tenn Railfan thing and mabbe youll see why im being such an ***!

[DrummingTrainfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

Dont get me wrong. I love the F40's. But they wore out their welcome.

I'm going to have to agree with that. I don't see how it's so terrible to replace one box (the F40) with another(the Genesis), especially if the new box is better on the crew than the old one, and if the new one is better on the environment.

As a railfan I'm tired of just seeing the Metra F40's on the UPWest line when I go railfanning in Chicago, I'm ready for something new to photograph. I also like the Genesis's looks, I think they're rather handsome.