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providence and worcester modelers?
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:34 PM
if i can raise enough $ in an ebay sale, (athearn Espee SD7 or 9 i dont know the difference)then negotions for a merge between Providence & Worcester and my fictional railroad, the Connecticut River Valley, will begin. (CTRV will be gone)
Any one else model P&W? im definataly going with atlas if i do this. would a u23b look like "too much" on a 4x8 where it wont be really hidden for long? i cant get this image of an almost O scale loco on an HO layout out of my head.
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Posted by railroadyoshi on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:41 PM
I considered modeling the P&W. I love its paint scheme.

I'm not really sure I can help you on the locomotive. The lack of selection for P&W is unfortunate. The only HO locomotive models that I have seen are the Atlas U23B, Atlas B23-7, and the Athearn RTR GP40. A GP40 may look better on a 4x8.
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Posted by David_Telesha on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 7:56 PM
A U23 is a small unit - a bit bigger than a GP maybe.

P&W got rid of their last U boat last year so you may want to go for a B23 or B39. If you want small go for the 23 - I have a 39 on my 4x5 and it looks fine but it depends on your taste.

The Athearn RTR GP in P&W is MESSED UP - they painted the *frame* brown instead of BLACK like it should be.

Stick with Atlas.

Here is their all -time roster:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8257/roster.html

Currently they still have

668
150
2006-2011
2201, 2213, 2214
2215,2216
3001-3003
3004-3008
3901-3909
4001-4004
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Posted by David_Telesha on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:04 PM
BTW its your railroad, but you could consider P&W, believe it or not considering its size, loans a lot of engines... So you don't *have* to make it a merger..

The Branford "Steam" Railroad (all diesel now, Tilcon Stone RR) borrowed a B23, the VTR is currently borrowing 3001 and another GP (3003?), and their power ran through onto the NECR, VTR, CN, and NS for the coal trains they ran to Binghamton NY.
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Posted by railroadyoshi on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:52 PM
I'll agree David, best stay with Atlas. What I found really interesting about P&W was the test stone train from Providence to Fresh Pond NY. The zig-zag route was quite interesting, travelling into northern New England.
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Posted by David_Telesha on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by railroadyoshi

I'll agree David, best stay with Atlas. What I found really interesting about P&W was the test stone train from Providence to Fresh Pond NY. The zig-zag route was quite interesting, travelling into northern New England.


I think you've lost something there.

P&W routinely runs stone trains to Fresh Pond. Its been going on as long as I can remember every summer. Infact, it even has a symbol FPCH or CHFP (depending on which direction) for Fresh Pond - Cedar Hill or vice versa. Cedar Hill being the NHRR yard in New Haven/North Haven, CT. Fresh Pond is on or darn near Long Island.

The "zig zag" route with the test trains was to Binghamton. And it was COAL. For the "Big G" power plant. Its South African coal which has some different burning properties they wanted to see how it worked. If it works, Big G will give P&W a contract. And that will become a regular move.

The routing (to avoid CSX,and I cannot blame them LOL) was:

Port of Providence Rhode Island [N] to
Worcester Mass [S] to
New London Connecticut [N] INTERCHANGE WITH NECR, P&W power, NECR crew
through Palmer Mass, over CSX, on the NECR [N] to
Bellows Falls Vermont INTERCHANGE WITH VTR P&W power, VT crew [W] to
White Hall New York INTERCHANGE WITH CP/D&H P&W power, CP crew [S] to
Binghamton New York INTERCHANGE WITH NS P&W power, NS crew to
Johnson City New York and the power plant
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Posted by grayfox1119 on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:51 PM
Much of their route is the former New Haven routes.
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Posted by james saunders on Thursday, April 20, 2006 3:17 AM
get a 8-39B they are about as long as a SD40-2 but can take smaller tighter curves

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:37 AM
thanks for all the help i have a lead on a U23B that i am $6 away from. ive never been so close to being able to get an atlas loco before! i think i can find $6 in seat cushons! id go with the dash 8, but i cant pass up the price on this atlas! stone trains,hmmmm. are those the white gondolas that have the walkways on each end? ive seen those around before could never figure out what they carried. (saw a grafitti panting on one that looked exactly like my grandfather) my industurial switching area is stub ended with the longer part of a runaround, 1 peice of 9" straight track. theres not a lot of room to extend this, so i guess a shorter engine is better. mabey my railroad will just handle p&w's "dirty work", switching sidings that wouldnt support a heavy u boat.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:37 PM
i just bought the atlas loco. [^][:D][8D][:)][(-D][swg][tup]. U23B, providence & worcester #2206.
im completly broke now. [:(!][B)][xx(][V][}:)][:(][banghead][censored][censored][|(][tdn] but the thought of my first atlas locomotive sorta balances that out. and the price was a steal! $77.00 total! NIB! sorry if i sound like im bragging.
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Posted by railroadyoshi on Thursday, April 20, 2006 4:17 PM
Oops. Confused the stone train with coal.

Gearhead, i'm not sure what cars the P&W uses. I believe the cars you are talking about are called Ortner cars used for aggregates.
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Posted by David_Telesha on Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:54 PM
The cars on P&W can be TILCON or other cars. They are privately owned by the quarries or other Railroads. I know the ones you are talking about - the hoppers with the platforms for the brakie/conductor for protecting switching moves. TILCON ones are gray, and there are bright red ones that make their way here too I saw them the other day. Plenty others too. Stone on the P&W is a big deal in season. There are at least 5 quarries on the line and most likely MORE.

P&W owns some ballast hoppers - they are short and light blue and gray - they are old. With P&W reporting marks.
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Posted by railroadyoshi on Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:31 PM
David, If the trains are operating CHFP, wouldn't that mean they are using the NEC? I'm guessing Amtrak isn't too fond of that.
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Posted by David_Telesha on Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:41 PM
CHFP/FPCH runs the majority of the route on Metro North - between New Haven and New Rochelle.

THey only run on Amtrak between Southern part of Cedar Hill and just east of NH station and I *think* between New Rochelle, NY and a LIRR connection in the Bronx.

NH-1 and NR-2 however run on the NEC Monday-Friday including with stone between New Haven and Groton. P&W pays $ and Amtrak dispatches and accomidates.

NH and NR meet in Old Saybrook and interchange so there's only 1 round trip freight each way.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:17 PM
thanks for all the help so far.
on a recent clueless railfan adventure, i accadently caught p&w switching new london just before 11.
i guess i could get away with having aggragate cars show up at a cement silo....
http://www.trainweb.org/pwmrr/
There is no way my uboat can arrive fast enough! [bday]to me!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 31, 2006 4:45 PM
That U23B will look right at home on a 4x8. Heck, right now I'm running a pair of SD50s on mine, and it doesn't look odd at all!

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