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MRC Brilliance Decoders ha ha
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:15 AM
Be aware, if you buy MRC brilliance decoders that the sound can only be turned off by going into online program mode and changing a CV. The manual that comes with the decoder says that double clicking F0 turns the sound on and off. It does not work!!! MRC's position is that the manual is in error and they will not do anything about the problem.
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Posted by rolleiman on Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:18 AM
Are you saying you aren't impressed with the decoder?? [:O][:O]
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Posted by loathar on Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:21 AM
Other than that, how does it sound. Are you using the Prodagy system? Are you happy with it? (inquiring minds want to know)
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:11 PM
The sounds are fine and the decoder performs well. Its only real drawback is the fact that you have to go into programming mode to stop the sound when yhen engine is done with its run. I am not pleased with their response either.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:14 PM
If there's no other way around it, you could block the track where you want the loco shut down, and just switch off the power. Kinda a pain I know, but it'll work.
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Posted by cacole on Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:10 PM
I'll stick with SoundTraxx Tsunami, thank you. After all these tries, you'd think MRC was beginning to understand DCC, but apparently not.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:23 PM
I hear ya. I think Soundtraxx pretty much has it right. I don't have a tsunami yet, but I have sevreral other Soundtraxx decoders and am really happy with them.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, December 29, 2005 8:25 PM
Hopefully MRC will learn once they see that their sales on these decoders slumping. The written word and "word of mouth" can quickly affect a company's sales.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:25 PM
Yeah I quit buying sound decoders .I bought one soundtrax for 140.00 and it was sorry.I have friends who have them and there sorry.The MRC 8 pin plug is sorry.So now I only buy sound equiped quasi locos.
But if you call Doug at the MRC service dept,he has helped me before .The number is 732 225 6360.Tell him your problem and ask if you can send the decoder to him to fix.I have sent stuff back before and he has hooked me up.IF he gives you any lip you tell him the guy in florida said that he would help you.okedoke,let me know how it goes.
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Posted by dave9999 on Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:39 PM
What puzzles me is why they would have the decoder set up with F0(normally the headlight
funtion key) to mute the sound. Every sound decoder or sound equiped loco I have uses F8
to mute the sound.

Is there a way to remap the mute funtion to another funtion key? I had thought of trying one of the
Brillance decoders... and I still might... but not having the ability to mute the sound is a problem.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:51 PM
That's a shame.

I have a few of the previous MRC sound decoders, and they were a great way to add sound for not as much $$$ as the other brands. They also weren't quite as good, but it was one of those 80% as good for 50% the cost deals... I'm a fan of sound, got 'hooked' on it and didn't want any silent locos. For "tier 2" locos where I wanted sound, but was never going to pony up $100-200 for a "good" sound decoder, it was a good compromise. And yes, they muted without going into the CVs.

It is definitely a _big_ problem to not have an easy way to mute them... Much as I like sound, I don't want every single loco sitting in the roundhouse huffing and chuffing... Nor do I want to have to use the 0-5-0 to take them off when I want them silent, or jump through hoops creating some sort of "cutoff" area where I can park them for silence. It's a good tip and - even as a fan of MRC decoders - I wouldn't buy one (and if I had bought one, it would be going right back).

So they really said the "manual was in error" and not that the decoder was messed up? My first reaction reading your post, until I got to that part, was that you'd got a defective decoder! I agree that F0 to mute is odd, but even odder that they'd actually design a decoder with no mute function... Having done so on previous versions, that's not even a matter of 'doesn't get it', it's a matter of 'got it then forgot it'...
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Posted by Pennsy58 on Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:28 PM
This claim caught me by surprise too. Curious why Tony's Trains didnt notice this flaw in there review. They state that a single click of F0 operates the lights. A quick double click of F0 turns all sounds off or on. I do understand that it requires a CV modification to alter or disable any one individual sound if you desire. I'm going to have to look into this before placing an order.........
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Posted by Budliner on Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:58 PM
looks like tony read the book but didnt run the locomotive
hmm buyer be ware
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:40 PM
Some people amaze me.... Ten years ago when I was just getting started in the hobby, some guys I knew bought railroad soundtrack CD's and played them on a portable CD player hidden below the layout just to get the illusion of sound. Now we have the capability for sound equipped locos with everything from individual bells and whistles, to coupling, air compressors, and diesel startup noises, and when something doesn't work exactly like it's supposed to, the manufacturer gets slammed for producing a 'faulty product'. Ease up guys, come on. If you want perfection, get a job with the prototype. No need to slam a manufacturer because of a typo in the manual. I mean, I've even heard guys complain because the 'diesel sound' available with a particular decoder isn't "GE" or "EMD" specific, and sounds nothing like such and such a locomotive, or the same regarding a particular air horn. I just don't understand how some people can be that much of a perfectionist when this is supposed to be a FUN hobby. I'll stick with MRC's 4 sound DCC diesel decoder, because quite frankly, it's still fun for me (at half the cost).

Sorry, that's my rant for the day. I'll hush now.
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Posted by canazar on Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jshrade

Some people amaze me.... Ten years ago when I was just getting started in the hobby, some guys I knew bought railroad soundtrack CD's and played them on a portable CD player hidden below the layout just to get the illusion of sound. Now we have the capability for sound equipped locos with everything from individual bells and whistles, to coupling, air compressors, and diesel startup noises, and when something doesn't work exactly like it's supposed to, the manufacturer gets slammed for producing a 'faulty product'. Ease up guys, come on. If you want perfection, get a job with the prototype. No need to slam a manufacturer because of a typo in the manual. I mean, I've even heard guys complain because the 'diesel sound' available with a particular decoder isn't "GE" or "EMD" specific, and sounds nothing like such and such a locomotive, or the same regarding a particular air horn. I just don't understand how some people can be that much of a perfectionist when this is supposed to be a FUN hobby. I'll stick with MRC's 4 sound DCC diesel decoder, because quite frankly, it's still fun for me (at half the cost).

Sorry, that's my rant for the day. I'll hush now.


While admit, some of the picky picky over the "correct" engine noise leaves me sometimes giggling at others for being to much a rivercounter. But then again, if I spent my hard earned pennies on something, plain and simple it better atleast work as advertised. I dont think that is too much to ask for. As a person who owns his own company and make things for people, I am very aware of making sure I live up to the sell of the product.

If I bought an engine, and it tells me it has 4 functions and can do this and that. And I spent my money on this one cause it can do what it says, and doesnt? I am gonna be P.O'd. Otherwsie, I would have saved some money and bought the other 3 fucntion whatever.

As far as the typo in the manual goes? Well, sorry, I dont like that one bit. I think the Manual should have been perfect. Mostly important if the typo effects operation of the product. I mean, how could you screw that up? At the very least, the company need to step up and take of the folks that got caught and make sure they are happy. And say, "Oh opps, sucks to be the first guy". Perosnaly, I had high hopes for the MRC deocoders, but I am starting, sadly, to have different feelings about them. That's a shame.


Well, there is my rant

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Posted by dave9999 on Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jshrade
[b] it's still fun for me (at half the cost).

Sorry, that's my rant for the day. I'll hush now.


Good idea... cause you missed the whole point.
The complaint is not about a misprint as much as it is about not being
able to shut the darn thing up when you are tired of hearing it hiss and/or
rumble.

A sound decoder is like anything else that makes noise... sooner or later,
you want it to shut up. And having to go though the act of programing the
decoder to get to stop making noise is a little too much work for a decoder
that retails for around a hundred bucks.

Truth be told, I haven't even tried one yet, but I am curious if this is true. And
if it is, it is a serious design flaw by the manufacturer. Good luck, Dave
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 1, 2006 2:08 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cacole

After all these tries, you'd think MRC was beginning to understand DCC, but apparently not.



Amen, The prodigy advance (both of the ones we tried) on the modules was aweful. Ruins good decoders (1 QSI was lost to it[:(])

I dont know if the new ones do this, but I had an older MRC sound decoder which would reach 250 degrees during normal operation. I had to insulate it from the shell so it wouldnt melt! Plus it was LOUD LOUD LOUD with no way to turn the sound down.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 1, 2006 2:15 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jshrade

Some people amaze me.... Ten years ago when I was just getting started in the hobby, some guys I knew bought railroad soundtrack CD's and played them on a portable CD player hidden below the layout just to get the illusion of sound. Now we have the capability for sound equipped locos with everything from individual bells and whistles, to coupling, air compressors, and diesel startup noises, and when something doesn't work exactly like it's supposed to, the manufacturer gets slammed for producing a 'faulty product'. Ease up guys, come on. If you want perfection, get a job with the prototype. No need to slam a manufacturer because of a typo in the manual. I mean, I've even heard guys complain because the 'diesel sound' available with a particular decoder isn't "GE" or "EMD" specific, and sounds nothing like such and such a locomotive, or the same regarding a particular air horn. I just don't understand how some people can be that much of a perfectionist when this is supposed to be a FUN hobby. I'll stick with MRC's 4 sound DCC diesel decoder, because quite frankly, it's still fun for me (at half the cost).

Sorry, that's my rant for the day. I'll hush now.


Im not very picky about correct sound for a locomotive, I dont hang around real trains much so I dont know what Im listening to anyway[:p]. But this isnt about that, its about the poor quality products that MRC produces for the DCC market. many manufacturers make great sound decoders, QSI, Soundtraxx, Digitrax, and LOKsound are some. I dont know if they truly cant figure it out, or if they just dont care, but MRC makes some of the worst decoders you can buy. I have only had experience with a few, but after lots of trying to make them work all of them got replaced with good decoders. Not to mention the DCC systems. The original prodigy works, it does what it is supposed to, but that isnt much. The full-featured prodigy advance however is not worth the box it comes in. We know MTH reads this forum. Are you listening MRC?[:D]
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Posted by jon grant on Sunday, January 1, 2006 7:37 AM
I have a couple of the old MRC sound decoders, which IMHO, sounded great. The big drawback for me was the problems synchronising the chuff to the wheels - 4 per revolution. This problem was an overriding factor in my decision NOT to buy any more, preferring the simplicity of the Soundtraxx method (CV116).

Have the Brilliance decoders sorted this out?


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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Sunday, January 1, 2006 12:04 PM
I hadn't considered myself a "rivet counter" when it comes to sound.

My only concern with sound was that if the manufacturer is capable of providing the correct sound for a sound decoder, than they should do it.....and it has been done. Soundtraxx has been successful in this.

BLI/QSI made a slight "boo-boo" with the SD40-2, but it still sounds great overall and most modelers can live with that discrepancy.

As for the MRC decoders (diesel versions), my criticisms were based on what I heard at train shows and hobby shops. At a train show I attended, a vendor demonstrating DCC had a Blue Box Athearn F-7 equipped with an MRC sound decoder. The vendor himself didn't like it! He stated, "Yeah, all you're hearing there is noise." I listend to it and to me, the only decent sound was the bell.

I like MRC, and IMHO, you can't beat an MRC DC powerpack. I've had my Tech II 2500 for over a decade. Quality is top notch. But with DCC/Sound, I guess that many of us expected MRC to come out "grand slamming home runs" instead of hanging on the lower end of the quality sound "food chain".

Just my thoughts.

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