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Welcome to the October, 2020 Jeffrey's Trackside Diner in Michigan

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Posted by howmus on Saturday, October 3, 2020 7:50 PM

hon30critter
I don't mind at all.

Have photoshop and like to play!!! (grin)

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, October 3, 2020 8:02 PM

howmus
Have photoshop and like to play!!!

I didn't even think about using photoshop to lighten up the image.Dunce Thanks.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, October 3, 2020 8:10 PM

MusicI've got a bike, you can ride it if you like, it's got a basket, a bell that rings and things that make it look goodMusic  I'd give it to you if I could but I borrowed itMusic

"Wink"

 

Sorry I just couldn't resist that oneSmile

 

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, October 3, 2020 10:07 PM

 

MusicMusicI know a mouse, and he hasn't got a house
I don't know why I call him Gerald
He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.MusicMusic

 

"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, October 3, 2020 10:16 PM

Only the "Bear"

I would expect nothing lessYes

 

Wink

 

 

 

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Saturday, October 3, 2020 10:19 PM
And just in case the Diners are wondering if Mr. TF and the Bear are derailed, (the Jury has been out for years in the Bears case), here’s the source of the lyrics.Smile
 

"One difference between pessimists and optimists is that while pessimists are more often right, optimists have far more fun."

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Posted by Track fiddler on Saturday, October 3, 2020 10:24 PM

Take a couple if you wish there on the dishLaugh

Thanks Bear but only a fewWink

 

PS    Hopefully some of the other Diners 812Laugh   

 

Kidding of courseLaugh

 

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, October 4, 2020 1:17 AM

I seem to be getting more semi-retired these days.

Lately it seems to be I'm staying up later at night but still getting up early in the morning and losing sleep.

I either have to go down to Cornerstone Medical and see if I can buy a c-pack straight out without a prescription or get to bed earlier.

But it's about time I hit the rack Kids so you all have a great night.  Love you Guys and I'll see you tomorrow

 

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, October 4, 2020 1:48 AM

I had a good and productive day today.

I should be able to post a good picture of the bathroom tomorrow.

-Kevin

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, October 4, 2020 7:10 AM

Mornin

Cool and crisp just as Fall should be.  Gonna work on placing foam again today right inside the screen door.  It'll be a good day.  Just reflecting on the change of seasons.  The weather should be getting nicer moving towards Spring in New Zealand these upcoming daysYes

One of our luckey Forum members  is preparing to come out of hibernation I'm sureLaughWink

 

Looking forward to seeing the pic of the new bath KevinYes

 

Make it a great day Guys! Smile, Wink & Grin

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, October 4, 2020 8:28 AM

Morning Post Hog!

I'm kinda bummed as Judy was on call today and might of had the day off but she didn't.  I heard that textSad

It's a beautiful sunny Fall day and we would have gone for a long scenic drive through the country.  

There's a good side to everything though as my plans to keep to my modeling is still in the worksYes

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, October 4, 2020 8:47 AM

PS    Mike-mbinsewi

Did you get your shed built up at your cabin?

 

And they showed on the news this morning the people filming it out the window.  Food delivery services are dropping off the food on the doorstep and ringing the doorbell.  Apparently these people didn't get there on time because the Bear was at the door first eating the pizzasLaugh

 

 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Sunday, October 4, 2020 9:23 AM

Good morning . 

I'll have some Michigan Apple Cider and donuts, please. Michigan also has excellent cherries and blueberries, but summer is the season for them. 

I was in MI in the 1970's and 1980's. I saved a few pictures from then. I wish I saved more. I have previously posted my pictures in the MR forum. 

The following pictures were in Flint, MI in the mid-1070's. Flint had numeorus GM parts plants and shipped auto parts to its many assembly plants in the US and Canada. The Buick assembly plant was served by C&O. The Chevy light truck assembly plant was served by  GTW, and it produced more trucks annually than any other plant in the world. 

 

At the time railroads were beginning to install side shields on auto rack railcars. They were developing designs for fully enclosed railcars. 

 

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Sunday, October 4, 2020 9:25 AM

Gotta move the cat hopuse this week. In the SW corner it is prone to drifting snow, bu I'll put it along the east wall which seems to blow clear.

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Sunday, October 4, 2020 9:45 AM

When did spraying graffiti onto railcars become common?

Does that coincide with fully enclosed car transport cars?

The original car transport cars were modified boxcars, why did carmakers move to open rack railroad cars?

References to Pink Floyd remind me that the title Dark Side of the Moon never sat right with my scientific bent. Great music though.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, October 4, 2020 11:02 AM

Track fiddler
Cool and crisp just as Fall should be.

We would be having a perfect day today, it is 74 right now, but Tropical Storm Gamma has been making it rain on-and-off for days.

Bummer. It is supposed to move away today, but another one is coming... more bad weather is predicted next week.

Lastspikemike
When did spraying graffiti onto railcars become common? Does that coincide with fully enclosed car transport cars?

Discussion of graffiti is well regulated, generally not appreciated on these forums, and certainly not appropriate for the diner. There is a rule against this subject in the forum policies sticky.

Steven Otte
Stay away from divisive topics, like graffiti, hoboes, train-hopping, and what makes a "real model railroader."

If you want to have any discussion on this topic, please try a new thread in the Prototype Information section, but expect it to get locked quickly.

-Kevin

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Sunday, October 4, 2020 11:16 AM

Thanks for the heads up. Actually just discussing why the design of auto racks changed. Nothing to do with the forbidden topic.

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, October 4, 2020 3:17 PM

Lastspikemike
Actually just discussing why the design of auto racks changed.

Thievery was probably the primary reason. Batteries, hub caps, (stowed in the trunk) and radios probably being the "low hanging fruit". Rock throwing, cement blocks dropped from overpasses probably a close second.

Many locomotives in the northeast had "burglar bars" over the windshields to try to reduce impact. This led to the FRA beefing up the glazing requirements in the early 1970s.

 D-n-M_no2 by Edmund, on Flickr

Taken at Tawas City on 10-2-1988.

My ISP must be making "improvements" this weekend. Service has been cut off for long periods all through the weekend. Would have been nice to get a notification from them, but (crickets...)

By the way, Mackinac is pronounced "Mackinaw" if you're from around there.

 

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Sunday, October 4, 2020 4:25 PM

Good afternoon all.

Zoe - A big RBF please. Thanks.

Kevin - Like the sign design.

Weather - Cooler and been kinda damp this week. Need the rain though, as we now have a drought watch.

Trains - Doing a few small modeling projects still, and have done a bit more railfanning than I had been for a while. Currently waiting on a trailer to dry for a second coat of paint before decals get applied.

Hope all are well, and all enjoy the day!

 

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Posted by cudaken on Sunday, October 4, 2020 7:52 PM

 Eving Diners

 Flo, give the gang and I a Beer please and Dirk and Robbie a dog treat.

 Just stopped by to let you all know I am still above dirt.

 Another not much done day's off. Did vacuume out the fresh air intake for the furance, change the filters Friday. Did not start? Today I dragged my wife junk out of the furance / laundry room and got the pilot light going. Got the sucker fired up and it is good to have heat again. Garage has been nice and warm from it gas heater. Big Smile

 Enjoyed the video about the SS Baddger.

 Latter, Ken and Dirk says I saw a deer Daddy! Woof, Woof!

I hate Rust

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, October 4, 2020 10:04 PM

Thanks to everyone that complimented and commented on the Diner sign my daughter put together for us. I have relayed the positive reception to her in Seattle.

I got the bathroom 99% of the way done today, then I tested the toilet, and it leaked onto the floor under the base. I knew I knocked the wax ring out of position when I set it into place.

I need to fix that tomorrow. I have had enough frustration for today.

-Kevin

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Sunday, October 4, 2020 10:29 PM

Lastspikemike

 

The original car transport cars were modified boxcars, why did carmakers move to open rack railroad cars?

 

 

Last Spike Mike ..... I've seen pictures of boxcars being loaded with automobiles before auto rack cars were used. It appeared to be very labor intensive and costly. Loading auto rack cars would be less costly. After railroads began using them, the market share for rail transport of vehicles increased significantly. Unfortunately, claims for loss & damage due to vandals and thieves increased too. Fully enclosed cars were designed to solve these problems. 

Kevin ... Not sure if I said so, but I like the sign for the Diner as others do. Thanks to your daughter.  

Ed .... I like the photo of #2. 

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Posted by hon30critter on Sunday, October 4, 2020 10:56 PM

SeeYou190
I tested the toilet, and it leaked onto the floor under the base. I knew I knocked the wax ring out of position when I set it into place. I need to fix that tomorrow. I have had enough frustration for today.

Hi Kevin,

The previous owner of our house managed to mangle the flange under the toilet that holds the toilet bolts in place. It won't hold the bolts anymore.Grumpy The last time I replaced the wax seal was when we tiled the floor. I had two choices. One was to do the job properly and replace the flange. That involved digging into the concrete floor deep enough to get at the drain pipe. Not going to happen!

The second choice was to silicone the toilet to the floor, which I did. Being me, I used copious quantities of silicone. I hope and pray that the seal never leaks. Getting the toilet off of the floor will be a major challenge!LaughLaugh

Good luck with the toilet!

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, October 5, 2020 1:33 AM

hon30critter
The last time I replaced the wax seal was when we tiled the floor. I had two choices. One was to do the job properly and replace the flange. That involved digging into the concrete floor deep enough to get at the drain pipe. Not going to happen! The second choice was to silicone the toilet to the floor, which I did. Being me, I used copious quantities of silicone. I hope and pray that the seal never leaks. Getting the toilet off of the floor will be a major challenge!

When we bought this house, the toilet in the current master bedroom wobbled. I pulled it out and found the closet flange was broken where the bolts were supposed to go into the slots.

My nephew came over, and drilled two 1/2" holes into the cement slab and epoxied 1/4" studs into the holes to hold the toilet down. 

So that toilet is fastened directly to the slab now.

I don't know if that was a "proper" repair or not, but in twenty years we have had no problems out of it.

-Kevin

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Posted by hon30critter on Monday, October 5, 2020 3:20 AM

SeeYou190
When we bought this house, the toilet in the current master bedroom wobbled. I pulled it out and found the closet flange was broken where the bolts were supposed to go into the slots. My nephew came over, and drilled two 1/2" holes into the cement slab and epoxied 1/4" studs into the holes to hold the toilet down.  So that toilet is fastened directly to the slab now. I don't know if that was a "proper" repair or not, but in twenty years we have had no problems out of it. -Kevin

Thanks Kevin!

I will keep that in mind if ever the toilet needs to be removed.

Dave

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Posted by moelarrycurly4 on Monday, October 5, 2020 7:31 AM

my 1927 flange was broke on my downstairs toilet, I got a "flange repair kit" which allows you to put the bolt dohicky on the side that broke off so that you can screw the toilet back down. I also put in a no wax seal so that I won't have to replace the seal. it costs a little more but worth it.  

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, October 5, 2020 7:40 AM

SeeYou190
I don't know if that was a "proper" repair or not, but in twenty years we have had no problems out of it.

It sounds good fix to me.  Your on a slab, you don't have much choice.

Our upstairs bath has a 2" layer of concrete as a base for the ceramic tile floor.  I did the same procedure when I replaced the toilet.

And I agree, great job of moving the diner! Yes  A nice new look.

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Posted by moelarrycurly4 on Monday, October 5, 2020 7:42 AM

I see J. David Ingles has passed, condolences to  the Trains family. 

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Posted by Lastspikemike on Monday, October 5, 2020 8:46 AM

 

 

hon30critter

 

 
SeeYou190
When we bought this house, the toilet in the current master bedroom wobbled. I pulled it out and found the closet flange was broken where the bolts were supposed to go into the slots. My nephew came over, and drilled two 1/2" holes into the cement slab and epoxied 1/4" studs into the holes to hold the toilet down.  So that toilet is fastened directly to the slab now. I don't know if that was a "proper" repair or not, but in twenty years we have had no problems out of it. -Kevin

 

Thanks Kevin!

I will keep that in mind if ever the toilet needs to be removed.

Dave

 

There is a reason the toilet is clamped directly to the drain pipe.  If you can it is better to repair it that way. There are now some solutions for mangled flanges. 

Anything built in the last 40 years or so will use ABS pipe anyway so this problem is very simple to repair. 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, October 5, 2020 10:57 AM

Lastspikemike
Anything built in the last 40 years or so will use ABS pipe anyway so this problem is very simple to repair. 

Not if your in Kevin's situation, with the house built on a concrete slab.  You'd have to bust up the slab enough to get well below the flange, probably a foot or more, saw off the excisting pipe and damaged flange, use a coupling to splice on new piece of pipe, and flange, and then repour the section of concrete.

Mike.

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