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Layout size - big vs complex - attempting to capture the immensity of the prototype

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, January 01, 2019 6:14 PM

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a few 10 wheelers for that commuter when needed.

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Were 4-6-0 locomotives still being used on low priority passenger/mail/express trains in the mid 1950's?

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If so, I need to add one of these to my "must buy" list. There is a NYC prototype that has a hint of a USRA look to it that would look great with the rest of my roster.

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-Kevin

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 4:15 AM

SeeYou190

 

 
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a few 10 wheelers for that commuter when needed.

 

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Were 4-6-0 locomotives still being used on low priority passenger/mail/express trains in the mid 1950's?

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If so, I need to add one of these to my "must buy" list. There is a NYC prototype that has a hint of a USRA look to it that would look great with the rest of my roster.

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-Kevin

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On some roads yes. Ironicly, many 2-8-0's, 4-6-0's and 2-8-2's outlasted big modern steam.

And I agree, that is a good looking loco.

My track plan is coming along nicely, over the holiday I worked out few possible problems with excellent results. staging should now easily reach the 30 train mark and have easy access and easy construction.

More later,

Sheldon

    

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 4:48 AM

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Ironicly, many 2-8-0's, 4-6-0's and 2-8-2's outlasted big modern steam.

In my country, steam engines were built and put in service as late as 1959. However, one of the last ones to be taken out of service when steam traction ended were pre-WW I built 4-6-0 of a 1906 design and not the sleek-looking, much more efficient 2-6-2 which were supposed to replace them.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 7:26 AM

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On some roads yes. Ironicly, many 2-8-0's, 4-6-0's and 2-8-2's outlasted big modern steam.

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Tinplate Toddler
In my country, steam engines were built and put in service as late as 1959. However, one of the last ones to be taken out of service when steam traction ended were pre-WW I built 4-6-0 of a 1906 design

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I have put that thought into my locomotive roster. I am aware that some of the first steam locomotives to be retired were modern designs for several reasons.

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1) The high profile trains they were assigned to were among the first to be dieselized.

2) They were not suitable for low priority or local service.

3) The maintenance costs were much higher.

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The STRATTON & GILLETTE roster is mostly USRA desings, except for the articulateds. I do not like the look of the USRA 2-6-6-2, and not a huge fan of the 2-8-8-2.

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I was not aware that some 4-6-0 designs lasted that long. That is exciting for me because I have always loved the look of that NYC F12 4-6-0.

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-Kevin

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 11:26 AM

Depends on the railroad.

The last working steam on the SP&S was 4-8-4's and 4-6-6-4's.  Around '55 and '56.

There's some shots of their last and biggest Challenger doing some interchange switching towards the end.

The SP&S got diesels to save money.  And the biggest money saving, for them, was in switching.  So they got switchers.  Then a few passenger diesels, probably because the GN told them to.  Then road switchers, because they could switch, and "road".

 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 4:11 PM

Kevin,

As it turns out, at least of few of those NYC F12's made it into the early/mid 50's.

B&O B-18's lasted until 1953.

PRR G-5's ran into the mid 50's

ACL - two of their K-15s 10 wheelers ran until 1955

Both 10 wheelers on the Ma & Pa ran until 1955

Just to name few.

What don't you like about the looks of these:

They are one of my favorite locos. The ATLANTIC CENTRAL has three, and I have two C&O versions as well.

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Posted by Medina1128 on Thursday, January 03, 2019 9:12 AM

I feel lucky in that we live in a rarity; a duplex apartment with both a garage and a basement; with over 1100 sq. feet of space. Luckily, the furnace and hot water heater are situated under the stairs. 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Saturday, February 09, 2019 10:32 AM

Medina1128

I feel lucky in that we live in a rarity; a duplex apartment with both a garage and a basement; with over 1100 sq. feet of space. Luckily, the furnace and hot water heater are situated under the stairs. 

 

I took a look at your photos, nice work. 

When you say duplex apartment I assume you mean two houses that share a common wall? They were once very common here, but the 1980's was about the last time they were popular as new construction.

1100 sq ft is a nice sized space, my new layout will be just over that in terms of actual space used by the layout.

The track plan is progressing well, but final drawings have been slowed by a very busy work schedule. 

The original list of goals for the layout have been achieved to about 90%, with only a few small compromises.

I am looking forward to sharing the track plan and getting everyones thoughts.

I have found a very interesting source for signal heads for the signal system, more on that later.

Staging capacity has exceeded expectations in number of trains.

I was not able to increase the minimum 36" radius in some places, but many curves are in the 42" to 46" range.

The visible main line run of double track is right at 200', the hidden staging loop run is about 140'.

There will be 30 hidden staging tracks that range from about 10' to 22' in length. Shorter staging tracks will generally be reserved for passenger trains.

There will be visible sidings that will plausibly stage two additional passenger trains and 3-5 more freight or passenger trains depending on the nature of the specific operational scheme in effect.

There will be two lift out/duck under sections. One to enter the layout, another to get from the layout area to my workshop area.

I am considering some sort of motorized lift for the main layout entrance, more on that later.

Overall, complexity of construction has been avoided, benchwork will mostly be simple table top, open grid with track elevations between 40" and 46" above the floor.

More to come,

Sheldon

    

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, February 09, 2019 10:46 AM

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slowed by a very busy work schedule.

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I can sing that same song along with you.

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-Kevin

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, June 17, 2019 6:33 AM

So I just thought I would take a minute and update this thread.

A series of unexpected personal and work issues have slowed progress on the final version of the track plan and will no doubt delay the start of layout construction until fall.

More later,

Sheldon

    

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, June 17, 2019 6:43 AM

Once again... I sure feel your pain.

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Travelling for work so much this year has completely stopped my home remodel, and there is not any way the contruction of the STRATTON AND GILLETTE railroad will begin in January 2020 as planned.

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It looks like a 12 month delay.

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So sad.

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-Kevin

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Posted by carl425 on Monday, June 17, 2019 8:34 AM

At least you have a legitimate excuse.  I've had a "final" plan for almost 2 years and I'm about 75% finished with the basic benchwork.  I have nothing on which to blame my lack of progress except for procrastination.

I have the right to remain silent.  By posting here I have given up that right and accept that anything I say can and will be used as evidence to critique me.

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Monday, June 17, 2019 4:23 PM

Living overseas I am unable to build a layout for many reasons. When I visit the US I have all the right conditions to build a layout except enough time. Overseas, I lack the reasources (mainly a hobby shop) and know I will someday have to leave the layout behind, so I lack modivation and nothing happens, even with stuff I can do. And cost is always a concern...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, June 17, 2019 5:51 PM

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Kevin, As it turns out, at least of few of those NYC F12's made it into the early/mid 50's. What don't you like about the looks of these:

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Sheldon, The USRA 2-6-6-2 has the air pumps on the front of the boiler, which always looked wrong to me. Since I already have a B&O 2-8-8-4 as my only articulated, I have decided to use similar designs from Eastern lines for the remaining articulated locmotives.

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I think the N&W Class A, N&W Class Y6b, and B&O Class EM-1 all look very good next to one another. Also, they are all available undecoracted, have reputations as good runners, and can be found reasonably priced.

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Living overseas I am unable to build a layout for many reasons. When I visit the US I have all the right conditions to build a layout except enough time.

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Isaac, While I have been without a layout, I have been very happily occupied taking staged pictures on a 30" by 30" board for the "show me something" thread.

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This has almost become a hobby all in its own, and does not require much in space or resources.

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It keeps me active in the hobby and is a lot of fun.

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-Kevin

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, June 17, 2019 11:09 PM

Kevin, agreed, those locos have a good family look despite some differences.

I have most them in one form or another as well.

As a B&O modeler, I have EM-1's and have considered them for the ATLANTIC CENTRAL (ACR) as well.

The ACR has its version of the N&W Class A, with different tenders.

As well as Proto Y3 2-8-8-2's that have been convered to 2-8-8-0's in B&O tradition.

And as a C&O modeler, we have the Allegheny.....

The front air pumps are very much a C&O thing, other roads did it, but not to the degree of the C&O. If you don't like it, you don't like it, that's fine.

The B&O and C&O had lots of tunnel clearance problems. As boilers got bigger and locos longer, stuff hanging on the sides was a problem.

The B&O mounted a lot of air pumps on the pilot deck, and a few on the smokebox front, but the C&O liked the smokebox front. It has also been said that front mounted air pumps, smokebox or pilot deck, were used to balance weight and reduce slipping.

But the C&O loved those 2-6-6-2's for lots of reasons, so much so they bought the last 10 in 1949, the last mainline steam built by Baldwin.......one of which will be returning to steam soon.

And I love my little "baby" Mallets, both C&O and ACR.

Sheldon

 

  

    

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