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1960 era layout
Posted by BRAKIE on Sunday, May 20, 2018 5:26 PM

Fellas,

While visiting a local HO club today a bizzare subject came up and I wonder what your thoughts would be.

Is it possible to build a 1960 era layout in 2018 using Atlas brass or nickel silver  track and a MRC 501 Throttle Pack? Guide lines and scenery techniques for layouts of that era would need to be followed.

I believe it can be done since a lot of 50/60 era cars and locomotives can be found on e-Bay and at train shows.

Three of the 20 something members thought it would be a cool idea for a hobby heritage display layout.

Before the "why" part was discussed it was time to start operation.

Larry

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Sunday, May 20, 2018 6:25 PM

Larry,

incidentally, this is exactly what I am doing right now! Over the past half year, I have been buying all the track and accessories from the 1950s and 1960s for my Marklin HO scale 3 rail AC tinplate layout. Living in the motherland of Marklin, there is no shortage of that stuff and, with a little patience, you´ll be able to find real bargains.

Last Friday, I built the "table" for my "train set" and since Saturday, the trains are rolling on the temporarily laid track.

I can assure you that this is just pure fun!

A few pictures:

I am really enjoying this more than I care to admit, although the project was born out of necessity, as my dexterity has gone south due to reasons of bad health. It´s the only way for me to stay in the hobby.

Happy times!

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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, May 20, 2018 6:43 PM

Yep Larry that'll work. I'm living proof.

I buy all my locomotives and rolling stocks 50s 60s era on eBay and train shows. I guess you could almost say I'm kind of an eBay train show freak. I get a little carried away.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Sunday, May 20, 2018 6:51 PM

Larry,

A lot of the old buildings are still made today.  A lot of the old rolling stock from Athearn, MDC, etc was made for many years afterwards.  So you can very easily capture a 1960's layout.

I would have any old power packs checked out before I used them.

I don't go back to 1960, but I have all my HO stuff from the early 1970's except for the brass fiber tie flex track.  I have thought about doing a 1970's retro layout with what I have.  I think it would be a fun project.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:06 PM

My layout is early to mid 50s.  Like Track Fiddler I buy most of my rolling stock and locomotives off eBay.  Out of my 70 or so locomotives only a half dozen were bought new.  My thing is restoring older locomotives.
 
I agree that the 50s and 60s are doable.  I prefer the transition area, it’s not hard to find anything that your club would need with a little window shopping on the Internet and eBay, HO Seek is another good source.
 
I’m currently putting together a Southern Pacific Heavy Weight Lark Passenger train.  I bought s five cars at our local Train Show in March and another five off eBay, all used and in very good condition.
 
 
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Posted by Track fiddler on Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:08 PM

A word to the wise. When you select the category of things you are looking for on eBay type in free shipping and start there first.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, May 20, 2018 7:13 PM

Absolutely you could build a layout using only materials that were manufactured in the 1960s. It sounds like a fun project.

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I was at a train show in Brooksville, Florida on Saturday, and one dealer had all the scenic material you could need. Life-Like trees and turf, molded foam tunnels, etc.

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Posted by Jimmy_Braum on Sunday, May 20, 2018 8:20 PM

I've seen people on facebook model train groups building entire postwar lionel layouts with only postwar equipment, buildings, props,etc.  So it is entirely possible, and a very interesting idea.

(My Model Railroad, My Rules) 

These are the opinions of an under 35 , from the east end of, and modeling, the same section of the Wheeling and Lake Erie railway.  As well as a freelanced road (Austinville and Dynamite City railroad).  

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, May 20, 2018 8:26 PM

BRAKIE
Guide lines and scenery techniques for layouts of that era would need to be followed.

I've got the glue ready!

 Dope_60s by Edmund, on Flickr

 

Whistling  Sounds like great fun!

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Posted by 7j43k on Sunday, May 20, 2018 8:56 PM

You guys are making me feel bad about throwing out a big bag of old brass Atlas snap track.

Well.

Not really.

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:06 PM

7j43k

You guys are making me feel bad about throwing out a big bag of old brass Atlas snap track.

Well.

Not really.

I had a bunch of it from my 50s/60s layout, but I couldn't throw it away.  I took it to a train show and gave it to a vendor who was selling the stuff.  Everyone went home happy.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:07 PM

Having run my layout with DCC, no, I could never go back.  Don't even ask.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, May 20, 2018 10:10 PM

I have lots of pre 1960 rolling stock on my layout, Varney and Athearn metal kits, early Athearn plastic kits (the boxes were yellow that far back), etc.

And I still use DC.......

Sheldon

    

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Posted by wjstix on Sunday, May 20, 2018 10:25 PM

I think you could do a layout built with 1960 era materials. Seems to me at the RR flea markets I go to, there are tons of very old stuff being sold very cheaply. There's a magazine now on HO train collectibles, so there is an interest in such things. BTW IIRC in the TM video/DVD for Lionel's 100th anniversary they showed someone's then current (c.2000) layout built with only 1950's Lionel HO materials.

You'd have to decide if you wanted only items actually made before 1960, or just accept the modern versions of them. Like, a 1960 Athearn reefer with fairly poor lettering and horn-hook couplers, or it's recent MDC incarnation - same body, but with excellent graphics, better wheels/trucks, etc. Course you could paint and decal the cars...except the two big decal makers of the time, Walthers and Champ, don't make decals anymore.

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, May 21, 2018 6:53 AM

After reading another thread in here, I suggest you start saving saw dust Smile, Wink & Grin.  You'll need it for ground cover.

The only train I had in the 60's was a Penn Line FA unit and a few freight cars.  It never really got past the plywood stage, although I did start some paper mache hills.

That all got trashed when I moved out, and didn't get back into trains until the early 80's, when we started having kids.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Monday, May 21, 2018 7:12 AM

Track fiddler
A word to the wise. When you select the category of things you are looking for on eBay type in free shipping and start there first.

I check "price + shipping lowest first" because most free shipping items are overpriced.  They usually appear quite a way down the list.

I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.

I don't have a leg to stand on.

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Posted by cedarwoodron on Monday, May 21, 2018 7:22 AM

I love the transition era- it affords flexibility in structures and engines/rolling stock that is somewhat lacking in 80s- modern era themes. The shorter box car lengths allow for that extra car or two on a siding or a short freight train. More modern architecture can mix with older style structures under  the guise of "progress", etc. 

It would seem that "HO Railroad that Grows" by Linn Wescott would serve as a touchstone here as it was written and designed in the late 50s.

On the brass track issue- I have not seen as much as I used to at flea markets/swap meets so I would stick with modern nickel silver and modern plastic tie flex track. The DC power packs might be okay if they were checked and rebuilt a bit for electrical safety. Otherwise, a great idea!

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, May 21, 2018 8:16 AM

BRAKIE

Is it possible to build a 1960 era layout in 2018 using Atlas brass or nickel silver  track and a MRC 501 Throttle Pack? Guide lines and scenery techniques for layouts of that era would need to be followed.

I believe it can be done since a lot of 50/60 era cars and locomotives can be found on e-Bay and at train shows.

BTW I'm reading this to mean building a layout using 1960 technology - rubber band drive engines, craftsmans kits for freight cars and buildings etc....NOT necessarily building a layout set in the year 1960.

When I started model railroading in the early 1970's, most modellers only wanted to model steam. Diesels were considered 'the enemy', so many (most?) layouts were set in the pre-transition steam era. John Allen allowed diesels on his layout for photos for ads and once in a while when brought by a friend, but he never owned any himself. Remember, someone in their 40's in 1960 would have been born in the 1910's, so grew up with steam in the 1920's and '30's. That was often what they wanted to reproduce on their layouts.

I assume it was even more the case in 1960. I know MR in reviewing their history has cited a 1963 ('64?) article called "Diesels - I Like Them!" as being a breakthrough article, as it was the first article where someone admitted to liking the diesels more than steam.

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Posted by chutton01 on Monday, May 21, 2018 10:57 AM

gmpullman
I've got the glue ready!

Can I safely assume that none of those cement brands smelled like lemons? (I recall as a kid in the '70s tube cement smelled like lemons or some kind of fruit, apparently due to safety concerns ("glue-huffing" maybe?).
And hey, thanks to a recent MR article at least the OP knows how to assemble an Ambroid HO wood "helium car" kit... 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, May 21, 2018 11:24 AM

wjstix
BTW I'm reading this to mean building a layout using 1960 technology - rubber band drive engines, craftsmans kits for freight cars and buildings etc....NOT necessarily building a layout set in the year 1960.

Yes,building a layout using 1960 era  technology including Athearn engines with  "all new 8 wheel gear drive" locomotives.

Diesel heads vs. steam heads at the Columbus HO club in the 60s was mostly one sided seeing the few junior and 20 somethings members was the diesel heads.

Just for fun.IIRC the ratio was around 10 steam engines for each diesel on the layout.Any road diesel made one trip across the layout and was promptly placed in the roundhouse never to be ran again that night.  After who would want to model a diesel truck on rails?

We had a lot of fun ribbing each other.

Larry

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Posted by Water Level Route on Monday, May 21, 2018 11:32 AM

Just be careful how authentic you try to go.  In Bill McClanahan's book "Scenery for Model Railroads" (has to be that era, but I'm not at home to double check), one of the scenery mixtures he used contained asbestos powder!

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Posted by marksrailroad on Monday, May 21, 2018 3:51 PM

I respect the old school modelling of years ago because if not for that we wouldn't have what we do today...

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Monday, May 21, 2018 7:03 PM

I guess I don't entirely understand the appeal of building a layout with vintage materials. Things have evolved so much in the hobby in the 50 (nearly 60) years since I don't see a reason to go back to snap-brass track and DC power (full disclosure, I have never ran a DC layout. My experience in the hobby has been 100% DCC if that helps to explain my opinion on this idea).

Not to say you shouldn't do it, if this is what you want then do it! Not my place to say what you should or shouldn't be up to.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Monday, May 21, 2018 7:20 PM

xboxtravis7992
I guess I don't entirely understand the appeal of building a layout with vintage materials.

While I can't speak for everyone, I think it is a nostagia trip.  A return to simpler times when the hobby was new and we were still young.  For me the year is not 1960 but 1972.  The Christmas of 1971 my wife gave me a train set and I found Model Railroader on the PX newstand.  Over the course of 1972 I built 2 layouts and had a lot of fun.  And the fun is what I remember, the aggravations and shortcomings, if any, are long forgotten.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, May 21, 2018 8:35 PM

xboxtravis7992
Not to say you shouldn't do it, if this is what you want then do it! Not my place to say what you should or shouldn't be up to.

Actually it was a discussion at a club I was visiting and since I know several of the members I was asked what I thought and I got to wondering what you fellas on the forum  would think.

Personally I would not want to build a  "heritage"layout from that time.

Larry

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Posted by 7j43k on Monday, May 21, 2018 9:01 PM

Myself, I don't have enough time, even if I wanted to.  And I don't.

One benefit, though, of building a "nostalgia" layout:  There's so much less pressure.  Scenery, for example.  What was considered acceptable back then just doesn't cut it, now.  And you don't have to worry about breaking off delicate ladders and other details--there wasn't any.  Weathering?  Nope!  Signals?  Nope.  Just run a couple of wires from your hi-tech power pack.  And it just goes on.

One thing, it would be relaxing!

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, May 21, 2018 9:17 PM

BRAKIE
Personally I would not want to build a "heritage"layout from that time.

Well, OK, and I wouldn't either.  Heck, I never finished my layout, started in the mid 60's.  As I said, I got as far as starting on some paper mache hills, painted green, after waiting days and days for the paste to dry, then I moved out, right after high school, and everything was trashed.

So, I guess it's do-able, but who wants to do it?  Not me.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Monday, May 21, 2018 9:49 PM

DSchmitt

Not according to my roster and buying experience. I pick a subject, Great Northern for instance free shipping. I get the whole kitten Kaboodle. It takes me an hour or two to go through everything but I get stuff I want for $15 or less. That's my quota. I never paid more than $15 for Rolling Stock.

I have a slew of cars I picked waiting in my cart. They're a steal but I think I better start thinking about going to modeltrainstuff and getting my track now.Whistling

 

 
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A word to the wise. When you select the category of things you are looking for on eBay type in free shipping and start there first.

 

I check "price + shipping lowest first" because most free shipping items are overpriced.  They usually appear quite a way down the list.

 

Sometimes this posting stuff doesn't quite act the way it should. What are you going to do though? Oh well!

I'm sure we're all intelligent enough to get the gist of things

P.S.  I post from my phone. There was a time when I was definitely smarter than a phone but I'm kind of a dinosaur now, I'm not so sure I'm smarter than my smartphone.Tongue TiedWink

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Posted by ctyclsscs on Monday, May 21, 2018 10:49 PM

I think the idea is interesting too, but again, who how many people are going to actually take the time to build a nostalgia layout? Especially if you already have another one.

If you do build one, don't forget that you need a styrofoam tunnel! I didn't realize they even still made them until I looked in the latest Walthers catalog.

And you need people with giant round bases on them.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Tuesday, May 22, 2018 12:14 AM

IRONROOSTER
While I can't speak for everyone, I think it is a nostagia trip. A return to simpler times when the hobby was new and we were still young.

As I have posted earlier, that´s exactly the journey I have just embarked on - moving forward into my past!

IRONROOSTER
And the fun is what I remember, the aggravations and shortcomings, if any, are long forgotten.

And again it is!

In my previous layouts, my thrive for perfection nearly made me forget what it is all about. Building that classic tabletop train set (I don´t dare to call it a layout) - using old materials, like tinplate track, with all the bells and whistles of the 1950s and 1960s, like operating semaphore signals, openeing and lowering gates at the grade crossing, the tinplate bridge and the tinplate engine shed with the doors closing like a jack knife when the engines reaches the contact, and, finally, colored sawdust for ground cover - is giving me back a happy childhood in my 7th decade!

It´s nevere too late for a happy childhood!

Now I better take my hat and coat, before someone suggest I continue in the CTT forum.

Happy times!

Ulrich (aka The Tin Man)

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