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The History of the NWP-SWP System

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, February 07, 2018 5:14 AM

Canada invaded us with respect to transcontinentals long ago; a true transcontinental (albeit north-south) was taken over just a couple of decades ago, and expansion in New England all the way to the Sound was only stopped when its proponent went down on the Titanic, and if there is an effective 'grande ceinture' around Chicago that isn't an 18-track impossibility it will probably involve Canadian administration.  (Meanwhile the CASO, one of the finest-engineered lines ever built, was systematically destroyed in recent years, but I digress...)

Then there is the reverse-merger thing, where a Canadian donut shop 'takes over' Burger King so that taxation can be avoided.  Why not with a company like TTX, or REA, particularly in a historical epoch that wants to establish the 'defense' necessity of highways and deprecate the strategic importance of domestic ownership of key parts of our general system of transportation...

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Wednesday, February 07, 2018 8:54 AM

NWP SWP
And because Mr. X is one of the "brothers" the unions felt they could trust him... far as the shippers go Mr. Xs business history won them over! There problem solved... Seriously though, that is a usable answer to the questions posed, right?

Nope..The rank and file would have their say and vote and later would more then likely vote Mr.X out of office because they would see him as a "yes man" to the railroad.

 

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Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:15 PM

Another idea is how bout a half merger? The railroads retain 50% control/assets and the NWP-SWP has the other 50%, would that work?

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:46 PM

Steven,

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You are running into a problem all creators of alternate histories have. If there was a good reason for it to happen, it probably would have happened.

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When I ditched the STRATTON & GILLETTE backstory, I became so much happier.

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-Kevin

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Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, February 07, 2018 2:56 PM

Trouble is I wouldn't be satisfied with just my railroad exists because it just does! That's just how I am...

Steven

Crooner, Imagineer, High School Senior, living with Aspergers, and President of the NWP-SWP System.

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Saturday, February 10, 2018 10:49 AM
I got a 32"x50" map of the US yesterday, I am going to transcribe the routes of the NWP-SWP system onto it...

Steven

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:33 PM

I though I'd post an update, still working on the story, I mentioned the idea of maybe a half merger where the railroads retain half of their assets thereby retaining half control... what do you guys think?

Steven

Crooner, Imagineer, High School Senior, living with Aspergers, and President of the NWP-SWP System.

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:27 PM

I think you won't have to go much further than the fate of Pennroad to see where that would have gone.

Remember that there are two halves to the 'main plot' of alternative history: what changes to let you do what you want, and what all the other guys do when it changes.  All the antitrust, all the politics, everything going on with the van Sweringens and the post-Mellen Morgan ... and meanwhile, all the things already changing when the government doesn't prematurely staple railroad express containerization into an early grave. 

I still think you might be better off seeing about resurrecting a fast intermodal express service, akin to an expanded version of the old fast-freight lines, which could contract for unit trains that would not be subject to common-carrier requirements and of course could own truck and air companies with little difficulty (perhaps even after 1935).  Still a difficulty establishing any particular 'railroad' ownership, even at the relative arm's-length of shared directors -- this is why we have historians familiar with the '20s and '30s watching this.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 4:50 PM

NWP SWP
Trouble is I wouldn't be satisfied with just my railroad exists because it just does!

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My latest history of the STRATTON & GILLETTE railroad:

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I was not there, then it was built, now it exists, and that's the way it is, August 3rd, 1954.

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Why does your railroad's history need to be more complicated than that?

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-Kevin

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 6:57 PM

I just wouldn't be happy with my railroad just existing! That's how my mind works...

Steven

Crooner, Imagineer, High School Senior, living with Aspergers, and President of the NWP-SWP System.

Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

Hook'em Longhorns! 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 7:15 PM

Here is a map of the operations depicted on my next layout:

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Only Willoughby and Port Mary will be depicted on the layout. Mainline Trains to the North and South, as well as the local trains to West Manchester and Great Divide will all be represented with staging.

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I don't represent even a tiny fraction of the STRATTON & GILLETTE system on the layout. It is just a fun layout to play with.

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You don't need a history for anything not on the layout. If the layout is convincing, the blanks will fill in themselves. There is a movie making term for this. Make the movie believable, but brief, and the audience will fill in all the missing pieces themselves.

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I think of my small layout as a stage, similar to a movie. It is all props, smoke, and mirrors. However, if I execute it right it will be believable without a complicated backstory.

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-Kevin

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Posted by Little Timmy on Tuesday, February 13, 2018 9:10 PM

SeeYou190
My latest history of the STRATTON & GILLETTE railroad:

SeeYou190
I was not there, then it was built, now it exists, and that's the way it is, August 3rd, 1954.

LittleTimmy "like's this "

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:49 AM

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I just wouldn't be happy with my railroad just existing! That's how my mind works...

 

I had a mind at one point to model the California Western just about the time it met up with the NWP in 1911. Anyway, the point is, I was constantly on the lookout for engines and rolling stock that would work, and for the these roads the pickings are slim. 

Anyway, I came across this as I was going through my stuff. 

If you want it, PM me with your address and I'll send it to you. 

BTW. I'm still modeling the area. Rock Ridge is kinda a compose of Willits and Ukiah with the Union Lumber Yard thrown in--in the late 1890's I just got tired of trying to find prototype equipment that didn't exist, so I decided to make due with the stuff I'd accumelulated. 

Chip

"Rock Ridge and Rock Ridge Lumber are names that really stand for something" --Randal "Rock" Ridge, Mayor and Founder

"Mining is the very foundation of a free America." --Stanley "Stone" Ridge

"Give me Apathy, or give me something else."--Carlton Ridge, aka "The Cat"

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