Here is my pet peeve.
This Leopard may not be as fast as a cheetah, but you, Oh Mortal Primate will not out run the likes of him. (You *can* pet him if you want, and if you do not need that arm for anything).
Anyway, the LION and his Great Felids have written a missive to the mortals at Walthers taking them to task for the lack of new SUBWAY CARS, and for PARTS for these subway cars. We have instructed them to make them available before dinner time.
Maybe then the LEOPARD will return to the train room and not have them on his mind for it is not a good thing to be on the mind of a LEOPARD at dinner time, now is it?
ROAR
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Here there be cats. LIONS with CAMERAS
How could you ever give a magnificent beast like that the name peeve. I bet he gets bullied in the Leopard den.
Whenever Lion speaks, I am reminded of this tune.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ISX9mW78Dw
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
Not sure about the Leopard and Cheetah but a few years back I bought a set of those Wathers cars and for whatever reasons Walthers did not glue the pantographs on and to make along story short when I called Walthers about replacing lost ones I was told that we don't stock replacements.
Now I am not the only one with lost parts as Lion and others have posted here over the years and I do not understand why the Pantographs are a) not attached and b) Why they cannot be replaced.
Joe Staten Island West
BATMANHow could you ever give a magnificent beast like that the name peeve. I bet he gets bullied in the Leopard den.
His name is Jerry. I have been told the name of his mate, but since I cannot pronounce it or spell it I have long since forgotten it.
But somebody has to awaken Walthers on the need to stock parts again.I realize that manufactories in China make this more difficult, but they *COULD* order parts.
As I like to say,
"If you need replacement parts on locos, don't bother calling walthers. Look to ebay for a spare one."
Don - Specializing in layout DC->DCC conversions
Modeling C&O transition era and steel industries There's Nothing Like Big Steam!
Maybe the Abbey I Tech (who could that be) could order up a 3D lazer scanner and 3D printer for the joint. Surely the boss would give his Okee Dokee. Not your first choice I am sure, but some parts may possibly be replicated as suitable replacements.
DigitalGriffin"If you need replacement parts on locos, don't bother calling walthers. Look to ebay for a spare one."
LION looked there. They want $180 for a single power car, and almost $400 for a four car train set. Walthers used to list these sets at $250, and Trainland used to sell them at $150. The LION is looking to bet more cars if him can.
LION is waiting to see what MTH comes up with. It will likely enough be far to expensive for a LION to consider, and him would have to rip out all of that useless DCC junk to make them run on the layout of him. 16 volts DC, MY TAIL!
This is why I want Walthers to get off of its BUTT and make trains.
Looks like a very rare Snow Leopard to me!
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NP2626 Looks like a very rare Snow Leopard to me!
They are snow leopards, and they have been trying to mate them for two years. They have been tested, are fertile, and have tried, but as far as I know there are no little snow cubs.
BATMANHow could you ever give a magnificent beast like that the name peeve
I thought a peeve was a bird, not a cat????
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
This makes me curious to ask a question. If I buy a recent Athearn or BLI loco and have an issue, I hope that I can get a needed part. Example...Athearn HO challenger where I got some needed valve gear. Does Walthers typically have some spare parts on locos such as 0-8-0, E-diesels, etc, or is the subway parts issue applicable to the locos also? If so, I'd take that into account into what I buy.
On the animals, I think the leopards are just cheetahs with spots (or vice-versa if I have it backwards). So they are both equally fast. The "cheetahs are faster" thing is an urban myth, as they seem so quick (compared to the humans) in zoos. Regarding the fertile snow leopards that seem to be unsuccessful, one may have a headache.
Paul
Modeling HO with a transition era UP bent
BroadwayLion Here is my pet peeve. This Leopard may not be as fast as a cheetah, but you, Oh Mortal Primate will not out run the likes of him. (You *can* pet him if you want, and if you do not need that arm for anything). ROAR
I don't have to be faster than him, just faster than the guy I'm with.....
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peahrens wrote
"I think the leopards are just cheetahs with spots (or vice-versa if I have it backwards). So they are both equally fast."
(sorry, my quote feature isn't working)
I don't think this is true. Cheetahs are about twice as fast as leopards (70mph vs 35mph) as leopards are built more for power as opposed to speed. They are both felines (Felidae family) but cheetahs are taxonomically unique as they are the only living member of the Acinonyx genus, while leopards are in the Panthera genus, along with lions, tigers, and jaguars. The Panthera species share the ability to roar (snow leopard being the exception) and certain cranial features, while cheetahs do not.
That being said, you are probably spot on about the snow leopard having a headache ;)
Sorry for the detail, but now you folks know how I feel when you talk about trains.
joe323 A few years back I bought a set of those Wathers cars and for whatever reasons Walthers did not glue the pantographs on and to make along story short when I called Walthers about replacing lost ones I was told that we don't stock replacements. Now I am not the only one with lost parts as Lion and others have posted here over the years and I do not understand why the Pantographs are a) not attached and b) Why they cannot be replaced.
A few years back I bought a set of those Wathers cars and for whatever reasons Walthers did not glue the pantographs on and to make along story short when I called Walthers about replacing lost ones I was told that we don't stock replacements.
HINT: you might check the truck sideframes for third rail shoes.
The only subway I ever encountered that ran pans was one route in Tokyo. The third rail was an insulator length below the center of the tube overhead.
If you really want pans, they are available from several Japanese sources - for just a little less than the price of the cars you want to mount them on, plus postage, handling and customs.
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964 - with catenary motors and EMU)
tomikawaTTThe only subway I ever encountered that ran pans was one route in Tokyo
Blue Line in Boston... Third rail in town and tunnel, Wire and Pans out in the sthicks.
LEOPARD has the longest tail of all of the felids. That tail acts as a counter weight, the the leopard is far more manuverable than said cheatah. I thought that the leopards were far faster than 35 mph, but what would a LION know, him will sit in the shade and wait for a Wildebeest to wander within range.
Leopard likes to rest up in tall trees and then drop in for his lunch.
What about the Serval, him is not a pantheris, is he? He has the longest legs of all cats in proportion to the size of him. From lying on the ground him can leap up nine feet to catch a bird in flight.
Märklin makes a number of HO scale pantographs that look pretty generic. Some are in stock at Walthers and some are not. Would LION find any of these suitable to carry electricity to the subway cars of him?
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Steven Otte Märklin makes a number of HO scale pantographs that look pretty generic. Some are in stock at Walthers and some are not. Would LION find any of these suitable to carry electricity to the subway cars of him? Walthers product search
Thanks Mr. Otte.
It was Joe323 that wanted the pantographs, I on the otter hand am looking for trucks to fit my Proto-1000 subway cars, and especially powered trucks. I have one powered unit that needs repair, and I have a mind to add more powered units to some of my trains. Witht he correct trucks I should be able to do it myself.
I did see some Atheran geered wheelsets and ideler gears which I could probably use on the Life-Like product since the drives look so similar.
LION is even willing to use a diesel truck and not worry about the sideframes if him could make it work.
Thanks,
Elias
Lion said
"What about the Serval, him is not a pantheris, is he?"
Servals are like cheetahs and have their very own genus, Leptailurus.
Within the Felidae family, the Pantheras and the Neofelis (clouded leopards) are the only genuses in the subfamiliy Pantherinae. All other cats fall within the Felinae subfamily divided into 12 genuses.
Of everything I've posted, I only knew that cheetahs and panthers were different. I had to look everything else up. I'm an environmental compliance consultant so it's my tendency to research and communicate the details.
BroadwayLionI did see some Atheran geered wheelsets and ideler gears which I could probably use on the Life-Like product since the drives look so similar. LION is even willing to use a diesel truck and not worry about the sideframes if him could make it work.
Lion could measure the wheel to wheel distance on him subway truck and see what the rest of the world has to offer. Then cast copy sideframes from his.
BTW, I' m confused; is it Cheatahs or Leopards running through the subway?
-Bob
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G PaineProbably panthers, their color matches the background better.
Must be so, eh?
BroadwayLionBlue Line in Boston... Third rail in town and tunnel, Wire and Pans out in the sthicks.
Back in January our local papers reported that cheatahs had also been sighted around the Boston area, in the neighborhood of Gillette Stadium. Apparently the NFL investigated and said that one had to "look sharp" to see them. The Boston NFL team was asked to comment, but no one could get a straight answer out of them. Possibly this was because they were lion.
Personally, I just find the whole situation deflating.
I assume the OP was asking about the car-end pantographs used to keep folks safe when moving from car to car, not car-top ones which would never have been used on these subway cars.
I have a set of the original Life-Like models, which came without pantographs. I ordered a set from Images Replicas:
http://www.imagesreplicas.com/index.htm
The pantographs are under "HO Accessories" down at the bottom, listed as "car end details." They also seem to have HO scale subway cars, different from the Walthers ones, if anyone is interested.
You can see the pantographs from Images Replicas here. I also added chains across the doors.
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Yes Yes Yes.... THOSE *are* most certainly the pantographs that were in question.
The earlier products did not have them. Only with the second or third run of these cars were they encluded.
Now then, for the story of the LION and the Pantographs...
The couplers pur the cars way too far apart.LION replaced the couplers with the draw bar that came with the set.
Then the pantagraphs either broke or derailed the train set.
To make a short story long, LION removed the pantographs from in between the cars and uses them only on the head end.
Has the Lion investigated the land with no big cats (but we do have some odd large nocturnal black sheep) and checked whether items from http://www.hollywoodfoundry.com/ or http://steameramodels.com/bbeetle.htm are suitable for his needs?
--Rod.H
MisterBeasleyI assume the OP was asking about the car-end pantographs used to keep folks safe when moving from car to car, not car-top ones which would never have been used on these subway cars.
Are not these "pantographs" more properly called car end gates?
No. They *are* called pantographs. A pantograph is an arrangement of bars that can expend or contract. The baby fence at the bottom of the stairs is a pantograph. An old timey telephone in the dispatchers office hangs on a pantograph. You can also use a pantograph for copying text or drawings from one size to another.
You can put a pantograph between the subway cars (so that visually impared do not mistake that gap for an open door, or you can use bologna springs like they do now, or you can put the pantograph on top of the train to collect electricity.
The "end Gates" (sometimes a pantograph) block the storm door now a days surplanted by an arrangements of chains.
ROARING
BroadwayLionThey *are* called pantographs. A pantograph is an arrangement of bars that can expend or contract.
Sorry, but I don't agree. While you are correct when choosing your definition, we were speaking of the definition generally assumed in railroad usage, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph_%28rail%29
Also, in the link Mr. B provided above, the manufacturer of the model item also calls them gates.
They are Pantograph Gates as opposed to door gates...