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Which Kadee coupler for Rivarossi 60' passenger cars?

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Which Kadee coupler for Rivarossi 60' passenger cars?
Posted by Capt. Grimek on Saturday, June 01, 2013 4:49 PM

I have the red box versions, don't know if they're pre 1993 or not.  I've emailed Kadee  to try and find out,but it's the weekend and all... can you recommend a conversion with all parts (I'd like to use whisker couplers if possible so' not to deal with springs, box parts, etc.)?

I have both 4 wheel trucks and 6 wheel trucks.

Thanks if you can help,

Jim

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Posted by zstripe on Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:23 PM

Jim,

Kadee's,website,shows the #508,for four wheel trucks and #505,for six wheel trucks,they say they are #5.s,,no mention,of any other...

Cheers,

Frank

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Posted by zstripe on Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:39 PM

Jim,

I checked again and the part I missed,states that you can use a #58,or a #148 whisker,in place of the #5..

Cheers,

Frank

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:44 PM

LION has used Kadee on his Riverossi cars, it does take some work, but, McHenry makes a direc replacement, just pull the old one off and push the new one on. Other issues apply. LION does not run those cars anymore, although they will appear in a static display. All of LION's train now use solid draw-bars.

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Posted by don7 on Sunday, June 02, 2013 1:52 AM

Captain, 

I just checked one of my 60' Rivarossi cars and the couplers are not attached directly to the trucks.The couplers, which are fairly long, are attached to the body of the car to some sort of cam.

These cars came with knuckle couplers and I have never had to replace any.

The couplers look like McHenry couplers.

If you get an answer from Kadee could you please share it with us and post it, eventually I will need to replace some of the couplers.on my 60' Rivarossi.

Sorry, that  I could not help.

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 02, 2013 2:54 AM

To anyone who may be interested;

Check out the ''Old Thread,McHenry,verses,Kadee,couplers,in General discussion..page 4 has a link to coupler conversion chart from Kadee,LINK provided by respected Forum member...

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Frank

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:34 AM

All of which raises the question, why would you want to switch out the centering springs and couplers for whisker couplers.

On all of my 60' Rivarossi paasenger cars, the factory installed coupler assemblies work just fine.

If you do decide to use the #505 and #508 conversion kits, these kits include draft gear boxes, #634 centering springs, and #5 metal couplers.  So, the centering spring and #5 coupler can be swapped out for the #148 metal whisker coupler.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 02, 2013 5:45 AM

zstripe

Jim,

I checked again and the part I missed,states that you can use a #58,or a #148 whisker,in place of the #5..

Cheers,

Frank

#58 is a scale coupler replacement for a #5 coupler, but it is not a whisker coupler.  The #148 is a whisker coupler, but it is a standard coupler, not scale.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:30 AM

Rich,I'm too lazy to look but,IIRC the 158 is the scale whisker coupler.

 

Larry

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 02, 2013 6:58 AM

Rich,

Read the sentence,again,,I never said the #58 was a whisker coupler,,,I said you can use a #58,or a #148 whisker,in place of the #5..

Have Fun!!

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:12 AM

Larry,

You are correct,,,,the #158,is a whisker,coupler....

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Frank

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:22 AM

zstripe

Rich,

Read the sentence,again,,I never said the #58 was a whisker coupler,,,I said you can use a #58,or a #148 whisker,in place of the #5..

Have Fun!!

Frank

Frank,

Read the OP's post again.  He wants to use a whisker coupler.   Super Angry

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:41 AM

Rich,

You're telling me something,,I already know!!! My original response,,was to give him the #'s to the conversion kits,for a four wheel truck and a six wheel truck,,#505 and #508,,they come with a pair of #5.s in the kits and you can use a #58,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,or a #148 whisker,with the kits,INstead of the #5.......I rest MY case..

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 02, 2013 8:47 AM

Richie,,,,,

I think you are ''BUSTING my whatever'',,,,,Of course,,,I'm having fun,,,aren't you ''silly''??

Happy Fathers Day,,,,,,,Banghead..

Cheers,

Frank

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 02, 2013 4:25 PM

Frank,

Sam The Answer Man at Kadee panicked when he saw your reply to the OP and feared that his job was in jeopardy with all the good technical advice that you were giving to the OP.   Wink

In a rage, Sam made a sort of 911 call to me and asked me to intervene, using any technicality to stop you.

So don't get mad at me, get mad at Sam!    Laugh

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Posted by MadLatvian on Monday, June 03, 2013 2:33 PM

The conversion kits quoted earlier in this post are for the older full length heavyweights (86 ft) that had the couplers truck mounted. These do not work with the 60 footers. The 60ft cars can use a Kadee #5 and I believe they will fit directly in the box.

Also looks like we get some new roadnames on these cars pretty soon; and also the RPO and combine will to be back available too.

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Posted by don7 on Monday, June 03, 2013 4:24 PM

MadLatvian

The conversion kits quoted earlier in this post are for the older full length heavyweights (86 ft) that had the couplers truck mounted. These do not work with the 60 footers. The 60ft cars can use a Kadee #5 and I believe they will fit directly in the box.

Also looks like we get some new roadnames on these cars pretty soon; and also the RPO and combine will to be back available too.

Checking the Hornby/Rivarossi USA site the new railroad names are the Southern Pacific and Union Pacific, both in the two tone gray scheme,  New York Central and Santa Fe. the original release was the NWC and the Pennsy and the pullman green unlettered cars.

If you compare the Rivarossi cars to the new Con Cor Suburban passenger cars you will see that they are nearly the same length.

I have both and I would take the Con-Cor cars over the Rivarossi coaches, Con-Cor come with lighting. Otherwise they are almost identical. Con-Cor do cost less though.l

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Wednesday, June 05, 2013 12:52 AM

Thank you guys. I haven't heard back from Kadee yet, but will let everyone know when I do.

I'll mull this thread over in the meanwhile. The original couplers work fine except that I need to shim them as they're all at different (floppy) levels and I have a lot of the shorties. I have steep grades (3%) and want to go to all Kadees on all cars if possible. Metal couplers for sure.

I had forgotten about McHenry's having a direct drop in replacement. I can't remember if the McHenrys will play well with Kadees or not and will read the thread mentioned above. These cars will be my lst coupler jobs ever and would like to keep shimming, spring chasing, etc. to a minimum while I learn.

Did Rivarossi make diners, observation cars, sleepers in 60' shorty versions? I alway see the coach, p.o., baggage and combine sets on ebay but not any other cars. 

I'm going off on a boat trip tomorrow for a few days so won't be able to respond until I get back. Thanks for the help as always.

Jim

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Posted by don7 on Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:20 AM

As to the Rivarossi and also the Walthers Trainline 60' passenger series, you did not see any diners, observation or sleeping cars as they were not produced in the 60' series.

However, if you check out Con-Cor's suburban coaches you will see that they offer a Solarium
HW car, this is an observation car with the open area filled in with windows.

You will find the Con-Cor Suburban cars are a near match for the older Rivarossi and Walthers 60' cars and they are available in most of the roadnames released by Rivarossi.

The Union Pacific is one of their road names, but the livery is the two tone grey.

I have bought extra coaches and solariums for all of my Rivarossi 60' passenger sets.

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