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Any slugs avalible in HO scale?

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Any slugs avalible in HO scale?
Posted by Noah Hofrichter on Monday, June 25, 2007 3:22 PM

I got to wondering as I was looking at some photos today, are there any HO scale slug locomotive avalible in Plastic? What about resin or brass? I think Athearn made a SW1500 calf if I remember right, but I was hoping for something that looks more like a proper yard slug, like this one (or anything remotely like it):

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=178635&nseq=23

or like this:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=179313&nseq=19

Or like the middle of these three:

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=187002&nseq=6

Thanks,

Noah

 

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Posted by nbrodar on Monday, June 25, 2007 3:43 PM

As far as I know, no.   There are no plastic models of yard slugs. 

You're best bet is a kitbash.  Or taking a dummy locomotive, using the frame, walkways, and trucks, and scratchbuilding the hood.  If you make the hood high enough, you could probably use a powered unit.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, June 25, 2007 3:43 PM
I've seen very few myself. Most are just cabless versions of other powered units.

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Monday, June 25, 2007 3:53 PM

If you want what your attached photgraphs show you are going to have to do it yourself - and several others have.  This subject has drawn more than its share of attention in the hobby press; if you check for 'Keyword: Slug' on the all-time index you will get a return of many articles; none, unfortunately, are really recent.  This was mainly a phenomenon of the eighties.

Several years back when NWSL came out with their 'SPUD' I rememver that one of the things advocated for its use was producing powered slugs.  At least one of these articles from the all-time index - I couldn't spot exactly which one - dealt with just that; it was either at Kansas City in 1984 or at a regional convention at San Diego later in the decade I went on a layout tour and one of the tour hosts had produced a powered slug using one of these NWSL 'SPUDS'.

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Posted by superbe on Monday, June 25, 2007 4:21 PM
 Noah Hofrichter wrote:

Hi Noah,

Here is a slug used by the local shortline. It still has the cab as you can see. The reason for this is that when the consist changes direction the engineer goes to the appropiate cab. This should be easier to kitbash also.

Bob

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Posted by davidmbedard on Monday, June 25, 2007 6:42 PM

Ive got a slug on my layout.....

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Posted by rayw46 on Monday, June 25, 2007 8:13 PM
CSX number 1010 is probably a road slug; six axel and still has it's fuel tanks to supplement the master locomotive's fuel capacity.
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Posted by jktrains on Monday, June 25, 2007 8:21 PM

Becuase yard slugs were typically home-built creations that varied from road to road and even from slug to slug a model one is not mass produced.  There have probably been some brass ones produced over the years, but nothing in plastic other than the cow-calf switchers produced by Athearn.

If you want you'll need to do want the prototypes did and create your own by cutting and chopping a road unit.

Good Luck

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Posted by mj5890 on Monday, June 25, 2007 8:24 PM

You could get something like this

http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATH91570

but that isnt  a slug, its a cabless GP60M or a GP60B

otherwise you could watch ebay or look at train shows for an old Atheanr slug or calf.

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Posted by nbrodar on Monday, June 25, 2007 8:28 PM

CSXT 1010 is a former Conrail MT-6 hump slug.   Conrail didn't use road slugs. The 6 axle MT-6s and 4 axle MT-4s were geared for hump service.  The MTs were typically mated to SD38s.

CSX's road slugs are former GP30s and GP35s and retain thier control cabs. They are numbered in the 2200 and 2300 series.  While they are equipped with fuel tanks, they no longer carry fuel to supplement the mother.

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Posted by Noah Hofrichter on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:38 PM

Thanks guys for all of the information. I kind of had a feeling kitbashing or scratchbuilding was going to be the answer. I actually kind of like the idea, as I could make it a unique rebuild for my railroad. A couple of specific things;

rtpoteet, thanks for reminding me to check the Magazine Index. I should have thought of that, but didn't. I'll have to get a few of those articles to use as a starting point.

Bob, thanks for the photo. That's a neat looking little slug actually, I can't say I've seen one with a cab on it before. Very interesting.

Joe, I have seen those before from Athearn, and they are kind of neat. A friend of mine uses one on a intermodal train consist he runs at my club, and it does look pretty nice. I think what I want is more of a yard slug though than a B unit.

Thanks again to everybody that answered, it's appreciated.

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Posted by emdgp92 on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:41 PM
A CSX GP35 slug wouldn't be hard to build--get an Athearn GP35, and sand off the long hood access doors :)
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Posted by CPRail modeler on Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:40 PM

there are slugs from many differnet railroads that differ in certain ways. the main reason why there are no models of slugs in ANY scale is because almost every unit was different. take the CPRail 1000 series. these units consisted of SW1200, SW1200RSu, F7B, SW9u and even a GP9u. the main difference for the slug conversion was the absent exaust stack. they kept their cabs for some unknown reason. the slugs were also painted in a variety of schemes. if a MRR company came out with a slug set for multiple roadnames, they would be criticized over the inacuracy of the models. my suggestion:

1)look up the specific unit you want to model

2)get some pictures/information

3)either find a unit that you think will work or consult the good people around this forum for ideas

as for your question, no there are no HO scale slugs on the market.

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Posted by onetrack64 on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:39 PM

Actually, OMI did some Conrail slugs several years ago. I managed to find an unpainted one recently. I had been looking for it for quite some time. And I even had the money to buy it... now I wish I had bought a second one.

 I was going to take the RS-11 I bought, and do the bashing on it, but i think I'll leave it alone for now.

 And if I recall right, even the fuel tank was filled with concrete.

 Keep your eye out for OMI. I think they have done several slug models.

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Posted by AltoonaRailroader on Monday, July 09, 2007 12:28 PM

Darn, I wish I had a photo, I may need to stop and just get the picture. But there are two Norfolk Southern slug like loco's sitting in the Juniata yard, it looks like they're hanging out to be scrapped. I could only see the cab number and I think the one was 431. They're small like the NS switchers you had in your second photo, but it had a little hump at one end. I'll try to get a pick. It would make a very interesting model to say the least.

 

 

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Posted by GAPPLEG on Monday, July 09, 2007 12:51 PM

Not withstanding the lack of photos. We built here at GE , slug units for SCL back in the 70's I think it was. Brand new factory built slugs. They were more or less standard B unit frames but the upper part was about 3 1/2 ft tall full length of the deck, except the end walkways of course. Full hand rails all the way around. Now I wish I had pix for you.I wonder what happened to them ?    

 ha found two pictures

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=7786&nseq=178

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=17954&nseq=169

 

 

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Posted by nfmisso on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:40 PM

 rayw46 wrote:
CSX number 1010 is probably a road slug; six axel and still has it's fuel tanks to supplement the master locomotive's fuel capacity.

Not.

As mentioned above it is an ex-Conrail MT-6.  They were made from Alco RSD-12 locomotives, and when thier Alco trucks wore out, the trucks were replaced with EMD Flexcoils - similar to SD7/9/18/28/35/38/39/40/45 trucks. 

Should not be a difficult kit bash.

The NS slug was rebuilt from a GP9, probably ex WAB or ex NKP. 

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Posted by Newyorkcentralfan on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:20 PM

As I recall GE called them MATEs, Motors for Added Tractive Effort. They came in two types. Ones that ran off a single locomotive which were used for SCL phosphate trains in FL. The ones that were set up to run off two locomotives while sandwiched between them were used as road units. I believe they mostly ran with U36Bs in either configuration.

 

 

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Not withstanding the lack of photos. We built here at GE , slug units for SCL back in the 70's I think it was. Brand new factory built slugs. They were more or less standard B unit frames but the upper part was about 3 1/2 ft tall full length of the deck, except the end walkways of course. Full hand rails all the way around. Now I wish I had pix for you.I wonder what happened to them ?   

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Posted by GAPPLEG on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:50 PM

Your right on that point, we built U-36b's to go with them. Modeling them would be easier than some of the weird ones out there, if someone wanted a generic type slug.

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Posted by Newyorkcentralfan on Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:57 PM

Like these? NS made these out of GP9s and GP18s. They're called RP-E4D.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1359

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=88395

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=114807

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=114808

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=147883

Here's some models of the slug

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=488334

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=488335

 

 AltoonaRailroader wrote:

Darn, I wish I had a photo, I may need to stop and just get the picture. But there are two Norfolk Southern slug like loco's sitting in the Juniata yard, it looks like they're hanging out to be scrapped. I could only see the cab number and I think the one was 431. They're small like the NS switchers you had in your second photo, but it had a little hump at one end. I'll try to get a pick. It would make a very interesting model to say the least. 

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Posted by jasperofzeal on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:06 AM
 Newyorkcentralfan wrote:

As I recall GE called them MATEs, Motors for Added Tractive Effort. They came in two types. Ones that ran off a single locomotive which were used for SCL phosphate trains in FL. The ones that were set up to run off two locomotives while sandwiched between them were used as road units. I believe they mostly ran with U36Bs in either configuration.

 

In this kalmbach magazine, Diesel_Detailing_Projects ,there is an article on how to model these locos and their MATEs.  It's quite an extensive project, but having a model of something not commercially available is a very strong motivator.  I was considering modeling these, but maybe decaling them for SP instead of SCL.

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Posted by AltoonaRailroader on Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:01 AM
 Newyorkcentralfan wrote:

Like these? NS made these out of GP9s and GP18s. They're called RP-E4D.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1359

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=88395

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=114807

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=114808

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=147883

Here's some models of the slug

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=488334

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=488335

 

 AltoonaRailroader wrote:

Darn, I wish I had a photo, I may need to stop and just get the picture. But there are two Norfolk Southern slug like loco's sitting in the Juniata yard, it looks like they're hanging out to be scrapped. I could only see the cab number and I think the one was 431. They're small like the NS switchers you had in your second photo, but it had a little hump at one end. I'll try to get a pick. It would make a very interesting model to say the least. 

 

YEP, that's them. Did you kit bash those models or can you give us some info on finding them?  I think that would be a very unique piece to have, maybe a few of them to help with the GEEPS like in the pics.

 

 

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Posted by Newyorkcentralfan on Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:00 AM
Sorry, they're not my models. Try contacting the guy who took the photos. His name is on the pictures. Maybe he can put you in touch with the modeler.

Try these magazine articles.

Building a Norfolk Southern slug
Railroad Model Craftsman, February 1987 page 61
( DIESEL, KITBASH, "MANZKE, BILL", NS, SLUG, CONSTRUCTION, ENGINE, LOCOMOTIVE, RMC )

Norfolk Southern Light Duty Locomotives And Slugs
Model Railroading, January 1994 page 54
( DIESEL, NS, "SIX, JIM", SLUG, ENGINE, LOCOMOTIVE, PROTOTYPE, MRG )

Norfolk Southern GP40 #1372 & RP-E4D Slug #9730 - Part 1
Model Railroading, July/August 2000 page 32
( DIESEL, EMD, GP40, KITBASH, "LESTER, ANDY", NS, SLUG, SUPERDETAIL, CONSTRUCTION, ENGINE, LOCOMOTIVE, PROTOTYPE, MRG )

If they don't work for you, I'd suggest going to www.rrpicturearchives.net and www.railpictures.net finding a clear broadside view of the beastie and superimposing it over a similar picture of a GP9/18 to figure where to cut.

From what I read NS started with GP9s and GP18s so I'd start with those for a model. Proto2000 are probably the best bet for a starting point. They don't look too complex,  mostly moving around and adding details as well as a lot of sheet styrene.

 
 AltoonaRailroader wrote:
 

YEP, that's them. Did you kit bash those models or can you give us some info on finding them?  I think that would be a very unique piece to have, maybe a few of them to help with the GEEPS like in the pics.

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Posted by AltoonaRailroader on Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:10 AM
Thanks for all the info, links and leads. I think I'll go order the two back issues of MRR with the articles in them just out of curiosity.  Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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