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[quote user="pcarrell"] Dave, 4% is usually about tops, and even at that a loco is going to be lucky to get more then one car at a time up it.  5-6% is probably a loco only type deal.[/quote]Dave, P is right but alot has to do with the weight of the cars and weather the grade is on a curve. I have seen pictures of a small layout run between 3-5 "empty" cars up a 6% grade. It was a loging layout and the main motive power were atlas Steam loco's. My own personal layout is going to have a 5-6 % grade more then likely, I still havent finnalized my track plan. Big supprize there but it is a mining opperation and it will be fulls down and empty's up. But any way have to run,Curt
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