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[quote user="pcarrell"] Curt,9 3/4 is pretty tight, but doable for smaller equipment.  5-6% grade is really steep, and with the smaller trains that you'll be running I think you might have a problem, especially if that grade is on the tight curves.  There just isn't enough weight in the loco to grip the rails and make the climb, and the curves add to the resistance.  Traction tires will help, but not a lot.  Please understand, I'm not trying to be discouraging.  It's just that those numbers fall outside of the usual range.  Thats not to say that even the prototype doesn't do weird things once in a while.I'll be curious to see your plan and hear about what you plan to model.  Maybe a logging or mining facility that only moves a car or two at a time might work.  Anyways, I'll look for it soon.[/quote] P, Most of the 9 3/4" will be hidden curves.  This is going to be a mine based layout, And locos I plan to run are going to be a 2-8-0, and the atlas 2 truck shays. I would love to get a 2-6-0 eventually and plan to get a 0-6-0 switcher. Also my max car length is 40'. The grade Is steep I know but I will know more once the track plan is a go. Any way I will have it up at some point tomorrow I hope.Curt
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