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[quote]QUOTE: Originally posted by marknewton [quote]QUOTE: Originally posted by Hotshott So your saying that anyone who is not a type A rivet counter is mediocre or the models they run are mediocre?[/quote] Ray and I are both saying that many of those who use the term rivet counter as a pejorative are mediocre modellers, or have mediocre layouts. Are you saying that everybody in the hobby achieves the same standard of excellence? [quote]QUOTE: the name of the hobby is Model Railroading not Super Detailed Engine/Rolling Stock Makers? [/quote] Exactly. Neither is the name of the hobby Endless Second-Rate Rehashes Of The Fantasy Layout Of Somebody Who Was Famous Forty Years Ago... [;)] Cheers, Mark. [/quote] Of course im not saying everyone achieves the same level of skills in this hobby, but calling a work mediocre for copying principles developed by modellers of a long time ago isn't right either. While i personally don't subscribe to that type of modeling it does produce some nice results sometimes. I mean i consider gluing a bunch of super detail parts to an engine, painting it to match and adding a new road number the mediocre side of the rivet world. My hat is off the the guys who cut and grind shells, totally redesign engine frames and add new electronics and come up with really nice looking pieces though, i just don't have the time (and prob not as much skill) to do that kind of work. The fantasy side of the modeling scene (which i don't really model) is like an artists painting, it represents the world as seen or created by the painter but sometimes doesn't look as good to the viewer. Take circus layouts for example, i don't understand why someone would model only a circus but i don't say its a poor layout or its mediocre just because i don't understand it or the style differes from mine. It may be the best they can do or it may be what they like, i don't know. Im just glad they are participating in the hobby and enjoying it. Regarding the name of the hobby not being second rate rehashes of whatever...never the less thats still a model railroad whether its a copy or not, it still takes some skill or talent to accomplish it and it fits into the name of the hobby more than people who make detailed engines that have never touched a rail. -Hotshott
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