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"Pocher" H.O. Engine..... anyone know about these?

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"Pocher" H.O. Engine..... anyone know about these?
Posted by Slick on Friday, March 10, 2006 8:12 PM
Hello fellows, I friend of mine has found "in the attic" an H.O. scale 4-4-0 Prairie (?) type engine manufactured in Italy by Pocher in the mid sixities or maybe early "70's. The tender contains the motor, a driveshaft from the tender powers the drive wheels on the loco. The engine's name is Genoa. It's a nice little piece of work, worth more in sentimental value than anything else, it does need a pair of wheels for the rear of the tender..... Any info or leads would be helpful, Thanks.
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Posted by Soo Line fan on Friday, March 10, 2006 8:21 PM
Does it look like this? http://www.hoseeker.net/otherhotrains.html Select the Rivarossi menu and look for the 4-4-0.

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Posted by Slick on Friday, March 10, 2006 8:29 PM
Jim, I'm getting an error message, "403". Does Rivarossi make these engines now?
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Posted by CP5415 on Friday, March 10, 2006 8:38 PM
Slick, does it look like this?



This is an AHM locomotive from the mid 60's & the motor is in the tender.

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Posted by Soo Line fan on Friday, March 10, 2006 8:44 PM
I fixed the link, the instruction sheet says AHM on it but it is listed under Rivarossi.
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Posted by cacole on Friday, March 10, 2006 9:22 PM
Poor runners because they had the oversized wheel flanges and could not go through an Atlas turnout without stalling. As others have mentioned, they were made somewhere in Europe and were sold by Associated Hobby Manufacturers, which is now known as International Hobby Corporation.

I have two of them and they are suitable only for static display purposes.
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Posted by CP5415 on Friday, March 10, 2006 9:55 PM
I have no problems with mine on my layout as I use Peco & Shinohara turnouts & I also use code 100 rails as well.
For a 40 year old locomotive, it runs pretty good.

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Posted by hminky on Friday, March 10, 2006 10:16 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cacole

Poor runners because they had the oversized wheel flanges and could not go through an Atlas turnout without stalling. As others have mentioned, they were made somewhere in Europe and were sold by Associated Hobby Manufacturers, which is now known as International Hobby Corporation.

I have two of them and they are suitable only for static display purposes.


Put electrical wipers on the tender trucks and they will crawl through Atlas turnouts.



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Posted by rrinker on Friday, March 10, 2006 10:48 PM
I have the Reno and the Genoa, and they always ran well for me, at leaston Code 100 track. They don't handle Code 83, flanges are too deep. But mine NEVER stalled on Atlas turnout - they were pickier than other though, so I used the Reno as a test - if the Reno would run smoothly around my layout, then I could run ANYTHING.

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Posted by dinwitty on Friday, March 10, 2006 11:15 PM
thats the old AHM lokie.
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Posted by twhite on Friday, March 10, 2006 11:17 PM
Came out from Rivarossi in the late '60's or early '70's, if my poor old mind can remember. Tender driven, VERY smooth runners FOR THEIR TIME (I cannot emphasize that enough) still run okay on Code 100 track. They were based on Virginia and Truckee prototypes, especially the locos that were loaned to Paramount pictures for their 1939 epic UNION PACIFIC. "Reno" and "Genoa" were 4-4-0's, they also made a model of the "J. W. Bowker", a 2-4-0. Deep European flanges (you can replace the tender wheels with 30" RP-25 sets from NWSL, but the drivers will be another matter), and I never had trouble with stalling on turnouts. Nice little locos. Mine went the way of a lot of my early plastic steam power, but they were pretty trouble-free. I still have one left, run it occasionally. Still works.
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Posted by Slick on Saturday, March 11, 2006 6:16 AM
Thanks Much, everyone!.... Yepper, you guys found it. I'll get back to my buddy and let him proceed with obtaining a pair of tender wheels....Again, thanks for the help.
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Posted by 1shado1 on Saturday, March 11, 2006 7:32 AM
These locos are also not to scale. They are about 30% too large. At least that is what I have been told.

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Posted by hminky on Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:08 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by 1shado1

These locos are also not to scale. They are about 30% too large. At least that is what I have been told.

Jeff


They are to scale just not HO. They are OO scale, 4mm/ft rather than the 3.5mm/ft of HO. The only compromise in scale is they run on HO track. It is the predominate scale/gauge combination in the United Kingdom.
It makes modeling the 1870's easier. I have found that the 4mm/ft of OO scale is a much better size to model. I have an article on modeling the 1870's in OO/HO at:

http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/1879/why/



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An IHC 4-4-0 with the correct OO scale figures

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Posted by MATTHEW JENKINS on Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:00 AM

I have this same loco and im missing the driveshaft from the tender to the engine and im looking like crazy to find it anyone know where i can get the part??

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Posted by cacole on Monday, April 14, 2014 5:57 PM

That company has been out of business so long that the only place you might find a replacement drive shaft is to purchase another one on eBay and hope it isn't missing.

I have two of the Pocher 4-4-0 models with motors in the tender and a missing drive shaft.  Personally, I don't consider them worth trying to repair because they have extremely deep wheel flanges that would stall on every turnout frog.

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Posted by azrail on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:25 PM

I believe Rivarossi bought Pocher in the 70s. Pocher was also known for high priced intricate large scale automobile kits.

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Posted by MTiger on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:07 AM
I inherited one of these in my great-grandpa's HO collection. It runs just fine on my code 100 track, even pulling a few passenger cars that must've been part of a set. I did have to buy a replacement driveshaft...found that on ebay for a couple bucks.
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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:56 AM

Although some of their products appear at first glance to be similar, there is AFAIK no connection between the old AHM and the more recent IHC. Certainly the AHM passenger cars made by Rivarossi (and later sold under the Rivarossi name) are not the same as the IHC passenger cars.

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Posted by cacole on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:02 PM

AHM (Associated Hobby Manufacturers) and IHC (International Hobby Corporation) were owned by the same man, who first owned AHM and, I believe, went bankrupt; and then formed IHC.

When he entered a nursing home and had made no arrangements for anyone to take over IHC, the empoyees were left out in the cold.

AHM models were made in Italy by Rivarossi, and IHC models were made by Mehano in Slovenia.

 

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Posted by maxman on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:29 PM

cacole
AHM (Associated Hobby Manufacturers) and IHC (International Hobby Corporation) were owned by the same man, who first owned AHM and, I believe, went bankrupt; and then formed IHC.

And that would have been Bernie Paul.  Here's a link to a November 2007 thread on the subject: http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/110085.aspx

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Posted by Sunshine Express on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:16 PM

I have  Rivarossi Inyo 4-4-0 and JW Bowker 2-4-0,both bought second hand a few years ago,and  very dependable runners on my 10x5 Small Towm US type Layout,using Peco Code 100 turnouts . I could not get the original passenger car set for Inyo,but it looks great hauling 4 Roundhouse smaller Overton cars. J.W.Bowker hauls the same. Both these locos run with small consists on the Australian Model Railways Association's large Club Layout in Brisbane,Queensland,Australia,which has prototypical grades and a spiral. Great attention getters. They may not suit everyone,but there is no better quality around today,and with a little TLC,they will be working to bring enjoyment to many.

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Posted by richg1998 on Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:00 PM

Below are Harold's suggestions. I have used them.

http://www.pacificcoastairlinerr.com/1879/bachmann_4-4-0/sound/

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Posted by richg1998 on Thursday, April 17, 2014 3:03 PM

My three tender drive locos. All are DCC, non sound. The Bachmann has a five pole motor out of an old CD computer drive.

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Posted by David G. 17361 on Tuesday, November 11, 2014 1:21 PM

I just recently aquired one of these, the one I have has a metal drive shaft, brass gears and has Western & Atlantic on the tender, the cab markings are W&ARR, unlike the other photos with that road name I saw in this thread the engine is completely black except for the wire handrails, domes, steam chests, bell, and top of the stack, the top of the stack is red, the other areas are gold it also has a gold colored round number plate on the front of the boiler with the number 12 on it. On the bottom of one side of the tender step it says "ITALY" on the other is stamped "POCHER" if someone can give me a idea of when this would have been produced I would be greatful.

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Posted by richg1998 on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:30 PM

David G. 17361

I just recently aquired one of these, the one I have has a metal drive shaft, brass gears and has Western & Atlantic on the tender, the cab markings are W&ARR, unlike the other photos with that road name I saw in this thread the engine is completely black except for the wire handrails, domes, steam chests, bell, and top of the stack, the top of the stack is red, the other areas are gold it also has a gold colored round number plate on the front of the boiler with the number 12 on it. On the bottom of one side of the tender step it says "ITALY" on the other is stamped "POCHER" if someone can give me a idea of when this would have been produced I would be greatful.

 

Try to not hijack and old thread. Start your own is usually a better way.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:34 PM

This old thread was resurrected from 2006 back in April of this year by another poster.. Both that posters comment (question) and David G 17361 comment do fit with this thread since by piggybacking on it, they give comtext to their questions. reducing the need to go over "old ground".

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Posted by David G. 17361 on Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:36 AM

DSchmitt

This old thread was resurrected from 2006 back in April of this year by another poster.. Both that posters comment (question) and David G 17361 comment do fit with this thread since by piggybacking on it, they give comtext to their questions. reducing the need to go over "old ground".

 

 

Exactly why I posted to the existing thread, which I read before I posted. I am on other on-line forums and rather than agrivating members by starting new threads about the same subjects, the other forums prefer to have people post to existing threads, it reduces the thread count on the server and gives refrence material for the new post.

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Posted by reklein on Friday, November 14, 2014 1:50 PM

I'm pretty sure one can get drive line kits (dogbone style) from NWSL as replacements. Thes are cute little locoies for a period diorama or tourist line.   BILL

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Posted by richg1998 on Friday, November 14, 2014 3:27 PM

In case your friend ever wants to continue with this type of loco, Bachmann is releasing their former tender drive version with the motor in the loco boiler and sound decoder speaker in the tender in 2015.

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