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What's the definitive Sante Fe passenger train.
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[quote]QUOTE: <i>Originally posted by gvdobler</i> <br /><br />What do you consider the make up of the silver modern-car Sante Fe passenger train. <br /> <br />Someone recently posted a newly acquired set (maybe A-B and 8 cars) that looked typical, but I can’t find that post. <br /> <br />Any opinions would be appreciated. <br /> <br />[/quote] <br /> <br />The following is a protype 1963 consist listing from a AT&SF railfan. I belileve it is fairly accurate but I can't give credit because I do not know his name. At that time, the power was F7's or F3' and ABBA or ABBBA was common. <br /> <br />I use the Walthers cars with the Genesis ABBBA set. The Walthers Pleasure dome is more accurate than my Coach Yard dome, and it cost only 1/15th of the Coach Yard car. The Walthers cars are done well are are worth the money for usre. If you look at the AT&SF Historical Society, you will find train consists for certain years other than the one I listed. Many of the cars listed are models that have been available in the past and will probably be rerun. <br /> <br /> <br />Santa Fe Summer Consists - 1963 <br /> <br />During the summer of 1963, the Super Chief operated as 1st section of train 17/18. On Tuesdays and Thursdays, the train ran in three sections, sleepers, conventional coaches, and hi-level coaches. This is the consist of 1st section. <br /> <br /> <br />Baggage - Express <br />10 roomette, 6 bedroom Sleeper <br />10 roomette, 6 bedroom Sleeper <br />4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Sleeper <br />4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Sleeper <br />500 PSCM Dome - Bar Lounge <br />600 PSCM 36 seat Diner <br />1339 PSCM Bar Lounge - Dormitory <br />4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Sleeper <br />4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Sleeper <br />10 roomette, 6 bedroom Sleeper <br />10 roomette, 6 bedroom Sleeper <br /> <br /> <br />The rest of the week, the train ran in two sections (the second being the hi-level El Capitan). This is the consist for the rest of the week. <br /> <br />Baggage - Express <br />48 seat Coach <br />44 seat Coach <br />44 seat Coach <br />44 seat Coach <br />1550 Budd Lunch Counter - Diner <br />1339 PSCM Bar Lounge - Dormitory <br />10 roomette, 6 bedroom Sleeper <br />4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Sleeper <br />500 PSCM Dome - Bar Lounge <br />600 PSCM 36 seat Diner <br />4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Sleeper <br />10 roomette, 6 bedroom Sleeper <br />10 roomette, 6 bedroom Sleeper <br /> <br />As a side note, Santa Fe had only two 6 bedroom, 2 drawing room, 2 compartment Sleepers., Taos and Oraibi, built by Budd in 1937 for the original lightweight Super Chief. <br /> <br />The second section (third section on Tuesdays and Thursdays) was the hi-level El Capitan with this consist. <br /> <br />60' RPO <br />Baggage - Express <br />Baggage - Express <br />3480 Budd Baggage - Dormitory (hi-level adaptor) <br />528 Budd Hi-level 68 seat Coach (steps down) <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />650 Budd Hi-level 80 seat Diner <br />575 Budd Hi-Level Bar Lounge) <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />528 Budd Hi-level 68 seat Coach (steps down) <br /> <br /> <br />It might be worth noting that the 10-6 sleepers came in two flavors: Budd-built "Pine" series cars and ACF-built "Palm" series cars. I think that the pairs of 10-6s at each end of the first consist had on of each. <br />The Super Chief carried 10-6 "Pine" series and 4-4-2 "Regal" series <br />cars from Chicago. The 10-6 "Palm" series car was added at Kansas <br />City. Because the westbound departure from Kansas City was 2:05am, <br />this car was ready for occupancy at 9:30pm. <br /> <br />santafemike is correct. The consist was usually one Palm (ACF) and one Pine (Budd) 10-6 in either pair. <br /> <br />For years, the Kansas City to Los Angeles sleeper was to be a Palm series car. But by the sixties, the consists book simply called out a 10-6 sleeper without specifying Palm or Pine series. <br /> <br />The 4-4-2 Regal sleepers also came in two varieties, some built by Pullman-Standard in 1947 and some built by ACF in 1950. <br /> <br />Below is a list of all classes of lightweight Santa Fe sleeper cars (in case anyone is interested) with number of cars, class, build date, builder, description. The Dinnebito 14 section cars, Cascade and Valley series cars, and the Indian 24 duplex roomette cars were not assigned to the Super Chief at any time. All of the others were for at least a time between 1936 and 1971. The Indian 11 double bedroom cars were only assigned to the Super Chief. <br /> <br />Sleepers <br />1 1936 PSCM 8 section, 2 compartment, 2 bedroom Plan 4057A Lot 6494 (Forward) <br />2 1937 Budd 8 section, 2 compartment,1 drawing room Plan 9517 Lot 967 (Isleta, Laguna) <br />2 1937 Budd 6 bedroom, 2 drawing room, 2 compartment Plan 9519 Lot 967 (Taos, Oraibi) <br />6 Dinnebito 1938 PSCM 14 section Plan 4065 Lot 6532 <br />8 Chaco 1938 PSCM 17 roomette Plan 4068B Lot 6532 Plan 1938 <br />14 Hotevilla 1938 PSCM 4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Plan 4069A Lot 6532 <br />16 Salahkai 1938 PSCM 8 section, 2 compartment, 2 bedroom Plan 4058A Lot 6532 <br />6 Bacobi 1939 PSCM 4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Plan 4069C Lot 6597 <br />2 1940 PSCM 10 roomette, 5 bedroom Cascade Mills, Cascade Shoals <br />26 Valley 1942 PSCM 6 section, 6 roomette, 4 bedroom Plan 4099 Lot 6669 <br />17 Regal 1947 PSCM 4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Plan 4144 Lot 6757 <br />19 Blue 1947 PSCM 10 roomette, 3 bedroom, 2 compartment Plan 4145 Lot 6757 <br />27 Pine 1949 Budd 10 roomette, 6 bedroom Plan 9510 Lot 9660 <br />15 Regal 1950 ACF 4 compartment, 4 bedroom, 2 drawing room Plan 9011 Lot 3358 <br />13 Palm 1951 ACF 10 roomette, 6 bedroom Plan 9014 Lot 3359 <br />12 Indian 1957 PSCM 24 duplex roomette Plan 4100B Lot 6757 <br />12 Indian 1964 PSCM/ATSF 11 double bedroom (rebuilt from 24 duplex roomette cars) <br /> <br /> <br />Sleeper – Observations (all rebuilt to blunt-end Sleeper – Lounges except Navajo) <br />1 1937 Budd 1 bedroom, 2 drawing room, 3 compartment Plan 9518 Lot 967 (Navajo) <br />7 Coconino 1938 PSCM 4 drawing room 1 bedroom Plan 4070 Lot 6532 <br />4 Vista 1947 PSCM 4 drawing room 1 bedroom Plan 4115 Lot 6757 <br />1 1950 ACF 4 drawing room 1 bedroom Plan 9013 Lot 3360 (Vista Club) <br /> <br />On Tuesdays and Thursdays, when the train ran in three sections, the second section was all low-level coaches with this consist. <br /> <br />24 duplex roomette Sleeper (dormitory) <br />44 seat Coach <br />44 seat Coach <br />1550 Budd Lunch Counter - Diner <br />44 seat Coach <br />44 seat Coach <br />3117 Budd/ATSF Bar Lounge <br />44 seat Coach <br />44 seat Coach <br />1550 Budd Lunch Counter - Diner <br />44 seat Coach <br />44 seat Coach <br /> <br /> <br />The second section (third section on Tuesdays and Thursdays) was the hi-level El Capitan with this consist. <br /> <br />60' RPO <br />Baggage - Express <br />Baggage - Express <br />3480 Budd Baggage - Dormitory (hi-level adaptor) <br />528 Budd Hi-level 68 seat Coach (steps down) <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />650 Budd Hi-level 80 seat Diner <br />575 Budd Hi-Level Bar Lounge) <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />700 Budd Hi-level 72 seat Coach <br />528 Budd Hi-level 68 seat Coach (steps down) <br />
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