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While the Athearn BB's are fairly basic out of the box, and may be a bit noisey, you CAN make them into a very good machine with a little work. I guess it all depends on if you want to by a RTR or a model you have to put together yourself, right? I'm a "tweaker" from way back. I can't help but tweak and improve a car or locomotive. The last AC4400 I bought, in ATSF Warbonnet, I didn't buy any extra detailing for it, but I DID work over the drivetrain and weight BIG time. By the time I was done I added 12 ounces of lead to it and had a locomotive that ran almost silently. So far it's been almost perfect and after I get my new layout up and running I'll add details to it and weather it. I've got a 12-car coal haul that I've put together, with real coal loads, FULL loads that is. The cars are heavy. On the last layout I had no problems pulling just over 4% grades on curves. Mark in Utah
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