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I have seen on a couple of web sites that the pre order price of the Lionel Challanger is around $475. While high, that's not too bad. D we need another Challanger? I personnal doubt it. <br />If Lionel were to do a 4-8-4, like the D&RGW's M-68, or M64, then I would part with my money gladly with what ever the cost! <br />Rio Grande modlers have to turn to brass units if they want anything close to the Grande units. All the steamers on the market now have too small of boiler to be true reprsentations. <br />Paul
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