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The beauty I've found in the Athearn and MDC kits are they can be as simple or as complicated as you want to make them. I remember as a kid being astounded at a neighbor of mine who would delibritly remove the details with an engravers chisel, usually the grab irons and ladders, then make new ones from wire and reapply them. Today there are suppliers of detail bits for those that want to take the shake a box kit and raise it to a new level. I currently have way to much time in a MDC Harriman combo and I still don't have it done yet.
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