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[quote user="Geared Steam"]I'm not sure why some people are so concerned about noobs starting with a 4 × 8 as long as they are doing something besides posting hogwash in forums.[/quote] Im not really.  The point of this thread was to generate discussion on if the 4x8 was still the best choice to recommend for someone starting out in the hobby. One of the things I have noticed when speaking with co-workers about my hobby is that those who are not model railroaders now all said kind of the same thing: "I had a 4x8 (or some such circular layout) when I was a kid, but I got bored with running a train around in circles after (some time period of time)".
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