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[quote user="oldline1"]I KNOW it isn't something most of us would be happy to win.[/quote] Free is free.  Thats not what my posts were about. [quote user="oldline1"]I KNOW it isn't the same quality we have come to expect with our trains and layouts.[/quote] Metal wheels is a start (the photos appear to have metal wheels).  I re-iterate, a $1.92 price increase in the whole set, would fix 95% of my issues Bachmann. [quote user="oldline1"]BUT....I KNOW it's just a kids beginner train. As one depressing member keeps pointing out the track probably won't last long without issues, the plastic couplers probably won't hold up to a couple rambunctious 4 & 6 year old boys and it isn't up to Spectrum quality.[/quote] FWIW, the couplers dont hold up to a depressing 29 year old running at prototypical speeds, and performing switching.  <---This is where my low opinion of the couplers comes from.  [quote user="oldline1"]Who cares?[/quote] I do.  Because I dont think that selling a train set to people that is designed to fail from the get go, or has known design flaws, is good for the hobby. [quote user="oldline1"]I think it's a wonderful thing in spite of Mr. Gloom who seems to only find negative things to keep throwing out about their treasure.[/quote] You are mistaking my comments as personal attacks.  There is nothing personal.  This is entirely about Bachmanns business practices (ONE DOLLAR and NINETY-TWO CENTS).  Does that not seem absurd to you?  I never said I expect brass level craftsmanship (brass trains dont come with track or couplers).  Recently an author in a modeling magazine made this statement (paraphrasing):  model manufacturers continue to make inferior products because the customers are not demanding superior products. There MR/Lance Mindheim, I am on record as demanding a superior product.  Get rid of the Ez-mate plastic leaf springs Bachmann.  Did anyone have to replace their Lionel post war track or couplers?  My dads/uncles 1970s vintage set still runs, cars stay coupled. Yes Bachmann has improved their trainset quality significantly.  But their is still room for improvement.   And I will maintain my low opinion of their lower quality products due to the before mentioned and admitted low quality of said products. The other reason I am vehmently opposed to just saying all is sunshine and roses when it isnt is because MR forum posts turn up near the top of Google search results. How would you feel if someone went out and spent half a days pay on a train set on your recommendation and the couplers failed..... Roger I think its great that this train set is spring-boarding your grandkids into the hobby.  I hope they stay.  Not everyone is as fortunate to have someone to guide them into the hobby.  Gloom and doom out.
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