Someone just listed a PFM United ATSF 2-8-0 1950 class claiming to be the original Gorre & Daphetid 2-8-0 #27 on ebay.
It has a very clean looking mechanism and wheels (as if the lower half of the engine was replaced), and an SMD LED installed in the headlight.
There's no way this engine survived the fire and somehow is being listed right now...right?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/374200860510
Charles
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Keep in mind that John Allen used Baker couplers, NOT horn-hook or Kadee. The original #27 had a tender booster that this one doesn't have, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't been changed. It is the correct United locomotive. Too me, it looks right, but I have no idea for sure.
Chuck - Modeling in HO scale and anything narrow gauge
Nevermind, I messaged the buyer and he said its a replica. His description didnt make that fact clear, it was just sort of implied I guess, but someone could be tricked into bidding for it thinking somehow that its real.
I just reported this listing to ebay as a counterfeit item (under "copyright and trademark" in the reporting page). Needs to be listed clearly as a replica. Nothing in the listing even implies it is anything but the original.
Seller also lists the item as "like new" condition. From looking at the photos it is anything but that.
Mark P.
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Well, you know the old saying "if it sounds to be too good to be true..." As general guidance on matters like this, my mom, her sisters and all my female cousins were or are antique dealers. The basic lesson is "Be suspicious". All of them have stories about frauds they have encountered. From them, I learned how important it is have documentation of provenance. In this case where you had what was supposed to be a one of a kind item (which means you would be paying a premium for the privilege of owning it - and if the seller doesn't want to charge such a premium, why not), I would want documentation of a complete chain of ownership (with names, dates of ownership, addresses and phone numbers) from John Allen to today, so you can contact previous owners (after all, the seller can put down anybody's name) and ask questions. If there are letters or other documentation, I wouldn't be above having them subjected to forensic analysis to see if they are forgeries. There are firms that specialize in such work that you can hire and will make a recommendation as to an item's authenticity. Yes, you will spend some money, but it may prevent you from spending a small fortune on something that is otherwise common and worth much less. Good luck to all and "be careful out there!"
Trainman440 Nevermind, I messaged the buyer and he said its a replica. His description didnt make that fact clear, it was just sort of implied I guess, but someone could be tricked into bidding for it thinking somehow that its real. Charles
Note that the seller stated "This locomotive is one of my John Allen G&D RR collection,".
While open to interpertation, he doesn't present it as an original.
Jim
hardcoalcase Note that the seller stated "This locomotive is one of my John Allen G&D RR collection,". While open to interpertation, he doesn't present it as an original. Jim
Pruitt hardcoalcase Note that the seller stated "This locomotive is one of my John Allen G&D RR collection,". While open to interpertation, he doesn't present it as an original. Jim By his phrasing he certainly implied it was an original. He should have explicitly stated it was a replica.
By his phrasing he certainly implied it was an original. He should have explicitly stated it was a replica.
He does. However it appears to have been added to the auction after it was started.
An "expensive model collector"
That locomotive just screams "ATSF" all over it.
The only thing making it GORRE AND DAPHETID are the poorly applied decals.
I think I should buy some G&D decals from K4 Decals and up-value all of my old junk and sell it.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
I found it in the BrassTrains Dot Com brass collectors guide.
It is a PFM/United model of an ATSF consolidation.
They value it at only $175.00, with the original box!
Yup, inexpensive decals and a quick paint job are money in the bank!
I think I read that a few pieces of equipment survived the fire and were salvagable but based on comments already made, this isn't one of them.
A while back some color footage of the G&D was discovered and made into a DVD which I purchased.
There were at least two brass models made of GORRE AND DAPHETID "prototype" locomotives.
These are beautiful, and command high prices, rightfully so.
SeeYou190It is a PFM/United model of an ATSF consolidation
SeeYou190They value it at only $175.00, with the original box!
BEAUSABREWho "they"
SeeYou190I found it in the BrassTrains Dot Com brass collectors guide.
I don't know of a better source of brass locomotive pricing than the BrassTrains Dot Com guide.
I could not find a picture of John Allen's #27, but apparently repainting the ATSF model as #27 has been done by many modelers.
John Allen had a known history of swapping tenders from locomotive to locomotive, so the booster equipped tenders were not always on the same locomotives in his photographs.