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Posted by Overmod on Monday, March 1, 2021 5:38 PM

gmpullman
I can not fix it. The photo is linked to from a fellow named Craig Garver. He may have simply transposed the designation in his photo ID.

Sorry, I thought you had put in one of your Flickr pages tagged with the model number and photographer's name.  I removed the comment.

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Posted by Doughless on Monday, March 1, 2021 5:47 PM

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-Kevin

 

Kevin, I'm still confused.  Do you know if there was ever a model made of this locomotive, in either brass or plastic?

And the story of Clessie Cummins is interesting.  He was financed by the William Irwin family, who was a banker in Columbus IN and whom Clessie chauferred for.  Yes, Clessie was the chaufer/mechanic for the Irwin family. (the story of William Irwin is also interesting).

Cummins Engine kind of bounced around as a viable company until they landed a huge contract to supply engines for WWII trucks and equipment.  And the Irwin family (actually Miller) was always very politically connected back in those days, go figure.  Somewhere along the line, one of the Irwin's failed to have a son so the family's name took the name of the son-In-law, Miller, who ran many of the "Irwin" companies including Cummins for many years.

OT, but kind of interesting (at least to me):  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Irwin_Miller

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, March 1, 2021 7:18 PM

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Kevin, I'm still confused.  Do you know if there was ever a model made of this locomotive, in either brass or plastic?

As far as I now know, there has never been a model of this locomotive.

I will be watching Shapeways.

The diesel engines Cummins supplied to the US military in WW2 were not in a widely used class of vehicles. I thought I had a picture of the truck they were in, but I cannot find it.

I knew a lot of people that personally knew Clessie Cummins. I have heard lots of stories. It is all third-hand now, so it is innapopriate to share them from me.

This man is a living legend (not me, the other guy) in the diesel world, and he knew Clessie back in the day. He shared lots of stories with me over a series of several dinners in Dallas back in 2013.

Supposedly this is the lathe that Clessie Cummins used to make the first prototypes of the P/T fuel system. It is on display in the Cummins corporate headquarters in Columbus, Indiana.

-Kevin

 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, March 1, 2021 7:39 PM

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As far as I now know, there has never been a model of this locomotive.

I have to wonder how much similarity there is between the Cummins locomotive and the five 401 class engines GE built for the P.R.R. in 1940 (12582-6) which had 7x10-cylindered V12 power (with paired fuel lines looking very Cummins-like!) (No, that is not a typo - let's see the first to figure it out...)

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, March 1, 2021 7:48 PM

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7x10-cylindered V12 power

12 cylinders, 7 inch bore, 10 inch stroke.

24 Liters.

Cool

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, March 1, 2021 7:52 PM

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12 cylinders, 7 inch bore, 10 inch stroke. 24 Liters.

And two of them CoolCool

But an article on the Cummins historical facility says the VL-12 was 4,618 cubic inches (!) and the engine that replaced it (NVH series, 1486 cid) was not introduced until 1949.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, March 1, 2021 8:05 PM

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The diesel engines Cummins supplied to the US military in WW2 were not in a widely used class of vehicles. I thought I had a picture of the truck they were in, but I cannot find it.

4 that I know of:  Federal 604; Reo 28-XS; Sterling HWS160H; and White 10-ton 6x4.  There are pix on the Web of all four types.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, March 1, 2021 10:58 PM

From the Cummins "100 Years 100 Milestones" slideshow:

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, March 2, 2021 12:38 AM

Perhaps a slightly improved photo —

 Cummins by Edmund, on Flickr

     and the all-important insignia:

 Cummins_Marque-1 by Edmund, on Flickr

Both Photos: G.E.Co.

I wonder what color she was painted? The underpinnings seem to be black, of course. A lighter shade above.

I'd hate to be a switchman and have to negotiate those side-sill steps! At night? Fuggedaboutit!

Regards, Ed

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, March 2, 2021 2:19 AM

gmpullman
Perhaps a slightly improved photo

No "slightly" about it, that is a much better image.

Thank you very much. I have never seen an image of the locomotive that clear.

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Posted by richhotrain on Tuesday, March 2, 2021 4:43 AM

Why not just scratch build the shell and mount it on a suitable frame?

Rich

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, March 2, 2021 5:41 AM

gmpullman
I wonder what color she was painted? The underpinnings seem to be black, of course. A lighter shade above.

I don't see any color but shiny black.

Thsnks for providing the picture the 'right way around'.  It was possible to read the iconic Cummins Diesel lettering in the original version provided, once you knew what to look for, but of course it was mirror-image reversed...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, March 2, 2021 12:43 PM

Overmod
Strange that I remember reading it before 1998, and the memorable parts of it all in the first person.  Has to be, though, because there is nothing else like that.

I sent an email to a former co-worker who worked on the Cummins Museum project for the 100th anniversary.

He said the original working title of The Diesel Odyssey of Clessie Cummins was My Diesel Odyssey by Clessie Cummins. There were a few books printed with the original title. That is why the book is mostly in the first person.

If you have one of the pre-release printings with the old title, that might be a rare thing indeed.

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