Advice(opinions) needed...nevermind.

[dave9999]

I have my river ready to add the water. While at the LHS yesterday, I asked
about Envirotex. I was told to use Kraft Kote. This advice came from a veteran
modeler and I figured I would run this by some of the veteran modelers here.

I bought the Kraft Kote, which is a two part mixture use as a clear coat in crafts,
like clocks and such. Anyway, I had a few questions that I didn't ask yesterday.

1. Is the Kraft Kote safe to use with foam?
2. When I pour it, do I pour it and let it spread on it's own, or should I pour it in
different locations?
3. I have a lot of rocks in the riverbed, should I glue these in place first, or will
the "water" hold them in place?

Here is a picture of the river(minus the water). Thanks in advance. Dave

(click for a larger view)




P.S. The blue foam on the right in the pic is a dam to hold in the water
until dry.
Edit: Added second pic. A litlle closer.

[dave9999]

Anyone??[:D]

[AggroJones]

I would help if I could, but I've never delt with making water or Kraft Kote.

[dave9999]

Thanks Aggro,
I just jumped in and poured it. So far so good. Here's a pic. I think I will try some of WS Water Effects
after it dries. Dave

Before...


After...

[Anonymous]

Now that looks good!

[SilverSpike]

So did the rocks move any while you poured the product?

- Ryan

[dave9999]

QUOTE: Originally posted by SilverSpike

So did the rocks move any while you poured the product?

- Ryan

No, not a bit! The "water" just flowed right around them. And you can't tell from the picture, but
it created little ripples around the rocks. It really looks good close up. Dave

[TurboOne]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dave9999


I just jumped in and poured it. So far so good. Here's a pic. I think I will try some of WS Water Effects
after it dries. Dave

Dave it looks great. I enlarged the pic and wow, it looks like water. I have always wanted water since I was a kid, but those old guys would never tell me how they did it. Now that I am older and bolder, I might add water to my layout, or just wait until I move outdoors and then use real water.

Yours looks great, hope if I do it it looks as good.

Tim

[dave9999]

Tim,
Thanks. I was a little nervous at first. I had everything set up the way I wanted and was worried
that if it didn't turn out, I would have to scrap the whole project. I like the results. I posted some
updated pics here http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=28626 . Dave

[ukguy]

looks good dave, I'm about to do pretty much the same thing and take the plunge in my r'river' so to speak. glad to hear you are happy with your result.

play safe.

[Anonymous]

Looks really good!!!!!!!!
Question,,,how long did it take to set up and solidify??

[lupo]

Hey Dave, really looks good, [tup]
those white highlites showing around the rocks is that real reflection of the light?
makes the water look really "wet " !

[Anonymous]

Good Morning Dave:

I've never used Kraft Kote but I'm a quick study:

1) KK is safe to use with foam (see above)

2) Pour it anyway you like

3) The rocks will stay put (see above)

I hope you appriciated my try at a little bit of humor.

I think that your water looks very good. I'm working on my second bridge and then comes the "water". Twenty plus years ago I tried water and it was the pits so I wasn't going to do it on this layout but after going to a bridge semminar at the Lone Star region convention in June I decided to make some bridges and I needed something to cross, so along comes the water. I've got the Campbell bridge done and now I'm scratch building the second one.

I think, that after seeing what you've done, I'm ready to try it and see what happens. I figure the worst would be "water" all over the floor.

Bob

[dave9999]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kbfcsme

Looks really good!!!!!!!!
Question,,,how long did it take to set up and solidify??

Karl,
It actually stayed in a liquid form for a few hours. I had plenty of time to put in all of the
logs and dead wood. I was even able to move and put in some rocks. The stuff just
healed itself. I put a log in the water and decided I didn't like it, I removed it and the
Kraft Kote leveled right back out. It's completely hard this morning(less than 24 hours).

Dave

[dave9999]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TEFFY

Good Morning Dave:

I've never used Kraft Kote but I'm a quick study:

1) KK is safe to use with foam (see above)

2) Pour it anyway you like

3) The rocks will stay put (see above)

I hope you appriciated my try at a little bit of humor.

I think that your water looks very good. I'm working on my second bridge and then comes the "water". Twenty plus years ago I tried water and it was the pits so I wasn't going to do it on this layout but after going to a bridge semminar at the Lone Star region convention in June I decided to make some bridges and I needed something to cross, so along comes the water. I've got the Campbell bridge done and now I'm scratch building the second one.

I think, that after seeing what you've done, I'm ready to try it and see what happens. I figure the worst would be "water" all over the floor.

Bob

I used a couple of pieces of scrap foam to make a dam. I hot glued
them to the edge of the benchwork and then ran another bead of hot
glue along the inside bottom of the dam to seal it. I never lost a drop.

As far as pouring, I mix it in a glass from the kitchen(don't tell Nancy[B)]).
I then started pouring on one end and slowly moved to the other,
avoiding pouring it directly on top of the rocks. When I got to the other
end, I turned around and headed back to the starting point. I didn't mix
enough originally, so I mixed another small batch and repeated the step. Dave

[jwr_1986]

The stuff looks great. Our club is at the point where our river should be poured. Where can one find this product. I'm aware that it is made by KlocKit as my father used to make clocks. The problem is that he hasn't in years and doesn't know where to get it anymore. Again great water.

Jesse

[Anonymous]

would you reccomend Kraft Kote above the woodland scenics water stuff? Thats what ive been using but starting the scenery on my new layout I want the best results.