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Would you attend a train show?
Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:51 PM

Howard Zane asked this question and I can't find the thread.

The guy who runs Timonium sent an email to those, whose email he had and asked who would attend the October show.  There were ~704 responses.  No right or wrong answers.

  1. 39.7%  (Definitely will be here)
  2. 16.7%  (Probably will be here)
  3. 16.4%  (Wait and see)
  4. 7.8%    (Probably will not be here)
  5. 17.4%  (Definitely won’t be here)

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:13 PM

I will absolutely, 100%, be at the October Timonium show.

I have never been to one, and I am looking forward to it.

Car is reserved, hotel reservation is in. I hope to see new faces from the forum there.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:13 PM

The thread disappeared - er, was removed - due to the downward spiral it ended up on....

My response would be "NO!!!!!"

No show, trains or not, is worth the risk of my or my families health and well being. It's not worth the risk of anyones!

Here we go again....

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Posted by Mykhalin on Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:28 PM

I don't want to fuel a discussion on this, so I'll keep it brief.

Things have changed very fast in the past five months, and none of us can predict where they will be in another five. Regardless of your personal opinions on the nature of this pandemic, it is safe to say that all events that actually happen this year will not be same as previous shows. Roll with it, and do what the event hosts ask of their attendees.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:40 PM

My vote was Not going, but I am moving from 1 hour away to 4 hours away.  Still I might go, a lot can change in 5 months.

I have no idea what is involved financially, in commiting to putting on a show, but I would be real nervous if it was my show. 

The point of this thread is not to resurrect the How has the virus affected me thread.  It's real numbers that a train show operator has to deal with.  Jason of Rapido, has a Facebook Q&A from yesterday and he says he hasn't had a single parcel delivery by Canada Post in 9 weeks.

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:41 PM

Yes!  

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:41 PM

October is indeed a long time away.  We can take a longer view, and this time I can definitely say "maybe."

I used to live in New England and have been to shows there, mostly Greenberg's and the occasional Springfield.  I would like to see a Timonium show, but I think a good representation by vendors, mostly, but buyers are important too.  I want to see both groups enthusiastically support this.  If September rolls around and either group comes up short, it will fall apart.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:01 PM

The question being asked,  Would I attend a train show right now?

Yep, ... right after grocery shopping!

Both just as important to me and well worth the risk.

 

I gotta eatDinner

 

 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:19 PM

As some others have suggested, I will gauge October in October. I sure would like to meet Kevin there.

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Posted by davidmurray on Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:22 PM

I normally spend a day, or part of one at a show in Oct.,  and all day both days at our club show in Nov.

I hope things are enough under control to do both, but they are held in schools, and if they close, the shows do not occur.

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:40 PM

It loos like Regal Railway Shows here in Florida is going forward with the show scheduled in Brooksville for this weekend.

I will not be there.

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Posted by DAVID FORTNEY on Friday, May 22, 2020 12:28 AM

I have decided that no trains shows or sporting events will not be on my list of things to go to until sometime next year. 

if they come up with a medication or a vaccine that works that may change my mind but I doubt it. 

You have to protect yourself, if not all the know it alls who refuse to do it will be the death of us all. 

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, May 22, 2020 12:47 AM

Like I said in the other thread, it is not myself I worry about so much, but the risk of bringing something home to my high risk wife and/or my kids makes my decision easy. 

A look at the infection rate statistics at the time should give a clear indication of the risk. It is not that complicated.

 

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Friday, May 22, 2020 3:36 AM

DAVID FORTNEY

I have decided that no trains shows or sporting events will not be on my list of things to go to until sometime next year. 

if they come up with a medication or a vaccine that works that may change my mind but I doubt it. 

You have to protect yourself, if not all the know it alls who refuse to do it will be the death of us all. 

Dave

 

 

I agree - much as I love the show. 

I wonder what the vendor turnout will be.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, May 22, 2020 6:08 AM

Train show attending hasn't been on my to do list for two years and my train show attendence has been on the decline before that. Based on that my answer would be no. 

Why is that?

The last three train shows I attended the prices for new and some used engines and freight cars was near MSRP. BB engines was around $45.00.

Older BB and Roundhouse freights cars was still between $3-7.00. $5.00 being the average price.

I have limited hobby needs so I turn to MBK and e Bay to fill those needs.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, May 22, 2020 10:52 AM

BigDaddy

Howard Zane asked this question and I can't find the thread.

The guy who runs Timonium sent an email to those, whose email he had and asked who would attend the October show.  There were ~704 responses.  No right or wrong answers.

  1. 39.7%  (Definitely will be here)
  2. 16.7%  (Probably will be here)
  3. 16.4%  (Wait and see)
  4. 7.8%    (Probably will not be here)
  5. 17.4%  (Definitely won’t be here)  

It wasn't Zane.  He sold the show several years ago to.  It was Scott of jsgeare to sent the survey.  Naturally there is still time so we'll have to wait and see.  Here is the result email I was sent:

I write to all attendees with the results of my recent “Covid” poll. Over 715 of you answered in less than 3 days. Amazing! It is quite clear to me that the virus has most everyone’s very serious attention, as, indeed, it does mine, and, indeed, as it should.
 
The purpose of my poll was to get an early indication of interest in attending our October 3&4 show, given the current COVID health risks and whatever government restrictions may apply to large public events. As you will see, below, the interest level is reassuring.
 
Before I report the results, so far, let me express gratitude for the many helpful remarks explaining your choice and other keen observations which often accompanied the numerical choice from 1 to 5. Had I taken the time to respond to each of these at length, I would scarcely have been able to issue just ten replies per day. But I do want you to know that I have read each and every one of your commentaries; so many of you had thoughts and ideas that had never occurred, to me. Everything you told me has become part of our “playbook,” to help us properly conduct the show. Thank you!
 
That said, here are the numbers, in order from high to low:
290 (39.7%) selected 5 (Definitely will be here)
127 (17.4%) selected 1 (Definitely won’t be here)
122 (16.7%) selected 4 (Probably will be here)
120 (16.4%) selected 3 (Wait and see)
57 (7.8%) selected 2 (Probably will not be here)

Every promoter, whether for trains, motorcycles, guns, or home and garden, faces the same dilemma in these uncertain times: Suppose I hold the show, and follow all the rules, and nobody comes?  The best way I know to get some fix on attendance is to ask YOU, as I have done.  And I find the response now, in mid-May, to be most encouraging. We’ll poll you again in the weeks ahead.
 
DOING THE RIGHT THING: My decision to hold the October show will be based on my assessment of the health risk. Even if all the responses were a “5,” I would not hold the event if I believed it would put people at unreasonable risk, or if I believed that management and enforcement of any restrictions was a practical impossibility.
 
Thank you very much for your response to my poll, and for reading this.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Friday, May 22, 2020 11:04 AM

My answer, no, as they have yet to get it under any kind of control in my area. They reopened things, only to have a major spike in cases.

And, how could you maintain social distancing? 
And are you telling me that all attending will keep a mask on, properly, at all times?

No.... They are not worth the risk that will occur. Not for a long time. October is still too quick in my book.

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Posted by dknelson on Friday, May 22, 2020 11:36 AM

No train shows for me for the duration. It is just too early.  What I read is "we ain't seen nothin' yet." 

I suppose the theoretical "perfect" train show in this environment would be: lots of dealers, every dealer has great stuff I want at mouth-watering prices, and I am the only customer in the room.  And I brought my wallet.

But that "perfect" situation sounds like zero fun to me. I go to train shows to socialize, meet friends, chat with vendors and fellow shoppers, perhaps join someone I don't even know at a table for lunch and talk about the hobby or the show and see the pics of their layout on their phone or tablet.  Without that social aspect a train show has far less appeal.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, May 22, 2020 12:22 PM

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I go to train shows to:

1) Socialize

2) Meet Friends

3) Chat with vendors and fellow shoppers

4) Join someone I don't even know at a table for lunch and talk

I must be doing train shows wrong. I have attended hundreds of them, and those activities are extremely rare or never. That all sounds like the stuff I do at CosPlay conventions.

I got to train shows to:

1) Buy things that are out of production and impossible to find in hobby shops

2) Look for bargains for things I would like to have

3) Take pictures of the display layouts

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Posted by DAVID FORTNEY on Friday, May 22, 2020 2:42 PM

SeeYou190

 

 
dknelson
I go to train shows to:

1) Socialize

2) Meet Friends

3) Chat with vendors and fellow shoppers

4) Join someone I don't even know at a table for lunch and talk

 

I must be doing train shows wrong. I have attended hundreds of them, and those activities are extremely rare or never. That all sounds like the stuff I do at CosPlay conventions.

I got to train shows to:

1) Buy things that are out of production and impossible to find in hobby shops

2) Look for bargains for things I would like to have

3) Take pictures of the display layouts

-Kevin

I mean who goes to shows to talk to vendors, the only thing I want from a vendor is their best price. I don't need a story. I don't need to talk to other shoppers, I don't care what they think. Also I don't want anybody talking to me when I am eating. 
The friends I have come with me. 
 
I go-to find trains I want and don't have and look at the layouts, that's it, anything else is a waste of time imo.
 
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Posted by tloc52 on Friday, May 22, 2020 2:49 PM

No, my life is too important to me and my family. I am high risk. If a vaccine comes out a slight maybe but my wife and were talking earlier this week. No travel in 2020.

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Posted by davidmurray on Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:19 AM

dknelson
But that "perfect" situation sounds like zero fun to me. I go to train shows to socialize, meet friends, chat with vendors and fellow shoppers, perhaps join someone I don't even know at a table for lunch and talk about the hobby or the show and see the pics of their layout on their phone or tablet.  Without that social aspect a train show has far less appeal

Dave:  I agree with you.  If I stand beside our club layout, back far enough to be out of the wat, for half a day, and no one talks to me, I would be very disappointed.  I also say hello to people I only see at shows, but have known for 25+ years.

 

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Posted by Deane Johnson on Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:35 AM

I love train shows and go to every one that shows up within a reasonable driving distance.  However, until the caronavirus is a thing of the past, I won't go anywhere there's a crowd.  We're talking about the possibility of death with this stuff, albeit fairly remote of that happening.  That means no train shows.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:10 AM

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If I stand beside our club layout, back far enough to be out of the wat, for half a day, and no one talks to me, I would be very disappointed. I also say hello to people I only see at shows, but have known for 25+ years.

OK, the local show is different.

When I get a table at the Fort Myers Scale Rails Of Southwest Florida train show, I do expect to see people I have known for decades but only see rarely.

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Posted by rrebell on Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:27 AM

If it was in my area, I would go. Wish the paranoia would go away and people look at the cold hard facts. Risk for some, not for others.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:55 AM

DAVID FORTNEY
I mean who goes to shows to talk to vendors, the only thing I want from a vendor is their best price. I don't need a story. I don't need to talk to other shoppers, I don't care what they think. Also I don't want anybody talking to me when I am eating. The friends I have come with me.

I go-to find trains I want and don't have and look at the layouts, that's it, anything else is a waste of time imo.

Dave

To each his own, Dave.  I've gotten to know a few vendor's over the years at the local shows I frequent so I do enjoy talking to them, asking them how they are doing, or finding out what they have to offer.  I've also had the privilege of meeting and chatting with a few of the regulars here on the forum like Ed (gmpullman), Allan (BRVRR), Larry (Brakie), and Rick (ricktrains4824).  I find that as enjoyable as attending the show itself.

That said, and to get back to answering the OPs query, I have zero plans on visiting any train shows this year.  The local one in March was wisely cancelled at the outskirt of the COVID-19 shutdowns.  I won't be suprised if the Berea show in October suffers the same fate.  Even this year's NYCSHS convention was postponed from May to August then cancelled till Apr '21. 

And, given that 1) vendor participation at any show will more-than-likely be well more than half what it is usually and 2) train shows in recent years have offered very little of what I'm interested in, it would just be a waste of time and gas to attend one - COVID-19 or not.

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Posted by dknelson on Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:13 PM

DAVID FORTNEY

I mean who goes to shows to talk to vendors, the only thing I want from a vendor is their best price. I don't need a story. I don't need to talk to other shoppers, I don't care what they think.

I was talking about a train show not a swap meet. If you buy and use Tichy products why wouldn't you want to talk at length to the man Don Tichy himself who owns and runs it, and who has his entire stock on display and for sale right there, a visually overwhelming display, including stuff you didn't know existed,  and - more importantly - knows what new products are coming.  Ditto for the folks from Kadee or Athearn or Walthers or Scale Trains.  It's a chance to ask Cody Grivno or David Popp questions about things they've written up in MR or shown on a video.  

Well anyway I enjoy doing those things.  Each to his own.

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Posted by mlehman on Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:18 PM

I'm really hoping things lighten up enough that the National Narrow Gauge Convention happens in Easrly Sptember. I've been stuck in the academia treadmill for most of the last two decades since I attended my last NNGC in St. Louis in 2000.

Something in October is a possibility, although I'm too distant for it to be Timonium.

But I also help manage our local train show. We cancelled this year's (last weekend in March) and don't plab a make-up show, hoping things settle by next spring so we can do the 2021 show. So I have to be thinking about how we might do that come next March.

The most likely insights are offered by the way that farmerr's markets have been allowed to resume here. it's all about Do Not Touch until you've bought it, likely to clash with the average model railroader's tendency to look things over. Lots of sanitizer and cleaning. A single entrance where people are screened for virus symptoms. All of these are going to be problems to solve. And many vendors are over 65 or have health issues that could be problematic. So lots of reason for many to still avoid things.

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:42 PM

 By October? Absolutely. I haven't been to Timonium in a few years, so I would like to go again. If giant stores like Lowes and WalMart can be open, then a train show is a non-issue.

 Regarding talking to vendors - my best Timonium show was the one where I spent at least 2 hours just talking electronics with Dick Bronson.

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, May 24, 2020 12:24 AM

The way things are going, I might have a pony tail, or even a mullet, by the time the October Timonium show comes around.

-Kevin

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