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Weird find in an HO boxcar.
Posted by graftonterminalrr on Friday, April 17, 2020 9:33 PM

Hi all! I posted this on a Facebook group, but I feel I should share it with you guys too.

 

Something a little different. I'm a model railroader, and I'm always looking for additions to the collection. This one is HO scale history. What you're looking at is an early fifties Athearn metal and wood boxcar, built from a kit. It's got a wooden core with thin steel stampings for sides, roof and ends. Stamped steel doors, ladders, and door guides too. 

About eight years ago, I bought a parts lot that included a number of pairs of steel lithographed sides for these kits, still in their wrappers. I saw this boxcar at a local show a few years ago and remembered I had a new set of B&O Sentinel sides, so I bought this car for $5 knowing I could restore it.

 

Well, I removed one old side, and to my surprise, a previous owner had written his name inside. 

 

"Art Tomlinson, 27 Forest St, St. John's Newfoundland". And a date. "6-2-50"

 

So I Google up the name, and find an obituary. Arthur Jay Tomlinson, 11/10/1928-11/10/2017... St. John's, NFLD. He died on his birthday the year I bought the car. He would have been 21 when he built it.

 

It really hit home when I took that side off the car and found the inscription. This belonged to someone tangible; they had a name. Why that particular car? Perhaps it caught the guy's eye in its flashy silver and blue. Maybe he was a model builder. Maybe he had a layout; maybe not. According to his obituary he was involved with Scouting, and in those days there was a connection with the National Model Railroad Association. Maybe he was influenced that way. Who knows.

 

In sixty-seven years, that car travelled from St. John's NFLD to Fredericton NB, a distance of 1074 miles by road and sea.

 

I still plan to rebuild this car, but it will be preserved in its original road name. It still rides on it's original sprung trucks and metal wheelsets. Literally the only changes made to the car since it was built sixty-seven years ago was the addition of modern couplers in modern boxes, which I may backdate to vintage ones.

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, April 17, 2020 10:03 PM

That's a really neat story. I was just thinking of that last night as I added some weights to the inside of some boxcars that I was tuning up. One I popped open had a date of April 15, 1995 that I had written inside when I built the car. Twenty five years to-the-day.

I have several brass cars that have former owners ID scratched into them. One has the fellow's social security number etched into it.

Another brass car I bought had a receipt tucked inside from a hobby shop in New Jersey, a sticker on the inside box lid from another brass dealer on the west coast and on the bottom of the box was a rubber stamp from Don Thomas, a hobby dealer right here in Chardon Ohio where I live. That car traveled more than the real one.

Neat stuff!

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Posted by OT Dean on Saturday, April 18, 2020 12:18 AM

I had a similar feeling of connection, though it wasn't unknown.  When my eldest brother died young (36), I lost my brother, friend, and mentor, all rolled into one.  He'd come back to our home town, after serving in the USAF during the Korean War, all fired up for HO Scale Model Railroading.  After his passing, his widow passed on to me a couple of cigar boxes (remember them?) full of tools, plus several kit boxes of various leftover parts and specialized wood, plus several partially finished Central Valley old-time boxcars and a reefer, along with a Mantua "1960" combine with a rectangular hole in its roof.  I finished the Central Valley kits (some of the missing parts were in one of the kit boxes), applying Kadee Magnematics, then reworked the hole in the combine roof to take a Silver Streak cupola casting--after adding seats and a bulkhead to the car.  Hardly anybody noticed the Central Valley cars, but people usually noticed the "passenger car" with a caboose cupola.  And every time I looked at it I remembered my enthusiastic Big Bro, who taught me so much about tools, cars, model railoading---and life.

Stay safe, everybody--and happy railroading.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, April 18, 2020 12:52 AM

That is a great story.

I hope some of the people that get my stuff when I have passed on have a similar nifty feeling of nostalgia.

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, April 18, 2020 1:59 AM

Wow, that's really cool! I love going to used hobby shops and looking at really old cars, but I've never though to wonder about where these cars have previously been!

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, April 18, 2020 8:53 AM

Hi graftonterminalrr,

That was a neat discovery!

I have one of the old Athearn tin sided boxcars that is actually in pretty good shape. I love it!

I have a set of four Star Line stock cars that were built from kits sometime in the late 1940s or early 50s. They were a bit rough when I got them, but the original assembly was done superbly! I would love to know who built the kits originally. They were pretty good at their craft!

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Posted by dknelson on Saturday, April 18, 2020 10:41 AM

What an interesting story and find about that Athearn metal boxcar. 

I have found some old hobby shop receipts in kit boxes that I have bought used - the older the more interesting they are.  

A few words about the Athearn metal freight car kits.  They used a style of construction (including some tab-in-slot) that was shared with Varney in HO as well as All Nation in O scale.  Indeed at one time Athearn was big in O scale and they may have had similar metal kits in 1/4" scale for all I know    I believe a firm whose name I cannot recall initially acquired the HO Athearn metal line after Athearn dropped it - and eventually a firm called Menzies brought back the line, or at least a good part of it, in the 1970s and into the 80s. 

They are fun to build, and with care - you need to get all the connections really tight to avoid unsightly gaps between sides and ends for example - they still look pretty good.  Note that the boxcar doors are not only pretty close to scale thickness but are in small channels so the big "claws" that Athearn used for their (much thicker) plastic boxcar doors were avoided.  When Menzies took over the line I bought a lot of their boxcars doors which were sold as separate parts for future replacement of the doors on the plastic kits.  They also look good as stacked spare boxcar doors at a RIP track or car repair facility.  For one thing the corrugations are there inside and out!

There are separate grab irons and separate ladders -- that is one reason why for a lot of modelers, the advent of plastic seemed like a step backwards in realism.  I remember a Model Railroader cartoon with two railroad brakemen talking, and one has his arm in a sling.  "I thought it was a grab iron but it was just a nasty ridge of plastic!" he says.

The running boards are pretty good looking too.  Perhaps a bit brittle.

The other feature is that you can actually assemble the underframe so that the brake cylinder, valve and reservoir are correctly placed.  Athearn's die maker mis-read the original drawings (which look down from above, but he thought it was looking up from below) which made the plastic underframe of Athearn cars wrong, and not very easy to make right without just replacing all the castings with new parts.  It is also easier to add the brake system piping and rodding to the Athearn metal cars, in part because of that wood floor versus the steel weight that you're dealing with on the Blue Box kits.

The paint jobs and application of the lettering schemes were also well done on the Athearn metal kits.  They take weathering very well.  And an odd benefit - one of the hardest things to mimic in plastic is the effect of a dent or scrape.  Metal is great in that regard.

Another good use for an Athearn metal car -- perhaps you have seen photos of veneer cars, which are boxcars with the doors removed and long timbers extending from the floor through openings in the roof near the door opening.  This is hard to model realistically with a plastic kit because the roofs tend to be too thick.  The Athearn metal kits have a thinner roof that looks right.

When Menzies sold the line, and I think Athearn did this too, they also offered a small plastic bushing that you could put in the trucks so that the screw holding the truck to the car's bolster and floor couldn't move around in the opening in the truck's bolster.  There are situations where using that bushing keeps a car from wiggling and tipping and moving funny.  

I remember reading a criticism of Athearn plastic kits by a prototype modeler who pointed out that many of the Athearn paint schemes were correct for the cars in Athearn's metal line, but Athearn simply carried some of them over to the plastic cars, even if they were different prototypes, where they were not correct.

I am not saying the metal line was superior in every way but it had its strong points.  Painted metal sure looks alot like painted metal, for example.  One point however - the paint can chip off the metal.  A weathering opportunity!

The similar Varney metal kits, which are also fun to build, had still another virtue: the sides were lithographed not rubber stamped as were the Athearn.  It is very difficult to do better with decals what Varney could do beautifully with lithography.

Dave Nelson

 

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, April 18, 2020 4:52 PM

I have acquired a couple of items on eBay that were listed as from estate sales.  One was a few Type 21 tank cars, new in the box.  The other was an old passenger car, a boat-end observation car that matched a set I had.  Someone had added illumination.

These belonged to modelers in years gone by.  They likely ran on layouts now dismantled and being sold as parts.  As such, I feel that items like this deserve some special respect from all of us, perhaps a more visible site for a structure or a prominent place in a frequently run train.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, April 19, 2020 4:40 PM

I have an old Varney boxcar, mostly all-metal. which I received new, in 1955, along with a number of other cars and locomotives.

It was originally painted in NYC's "Pacemaker" red and grey, but I later painted over it and lettered it with CPR's "script-style" lettering.
More recently, I decided to upgrade it a bit to better fit in with my more recent models...

...and here it is, repainted and lettered, using C-D-S dry transfers....

I think that the signature which you found in the boxcar may not be all that unusual, as I've come across a few over the years, and a friend, to whom I've given several older cars from various sources (kit-built, r-t-r, and scratchbuilt) also puts information in those cars.

In fact, he often asks about the maker of the car and, if I know it, the date or at least timeframe in which it might have been manufactured or scratchbuilt.  He also wants, if I can provide it, the name of the manufacturer or scratchbuilder. 
This info is written on  paper and enclosed in the car (or under it, for open cars) and/or is included in the car's box, whether it's original or a replacement.

I'm not so fussy, but do have an all-time roster of cars and locomotives which I've owned over the years, with notes on the manufacturer, lettering, and some of the modifications done.  Of course, all but a handful have been built or modified by me, and I might include that info in the car's box, but I don't really think that the next owners will be all that interested - if they like it, they'll buy it and if they don't, someone else will or it will simply be tossed.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, April 20, 2020 10:00 PM

If I may? The oddest thing I ever found in a boxcar was a folded $10.00 bill..  I assumed that was hobby money hid from his wife? 

As far as those old Athearn metal cars they are still a decent car for their age and can blend in with Athearn BB,Roundhouse, Varney,  and other like cars.

Larry

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Posted by kasskaboose on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:13 AM

BRAKIE

What an interesting and cool story.  Thanks for sharing.  I bet others have similiar stories about certain cars.

If I may? The oddest thing I ever found in a boxcar was a folded $10.00 bill..  I assumed that was hobby money hid from his wife? 

 

Any objections to doing likewise with a box car and telling my kids that their allowances are on the layout (literally)?

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Posted by maxman on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:01 AM

BRAKIE
The oddest thing I ever found in a boxcar was a folded $10.00 bill.

You're lucky that's all you found.  A number of year's ago a long time club member passed away.  He wanted a portion of his ashes placed on the club layout in one of those brass water tanks.  Several other members thought that a good idea.

Fortunately saner minds prevailed.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:21 AM

maxman
He wanted a portion of his ashes placed on the club layout in one of those brass water tanks.

Wow!! I never heard of such a request.  My daughter keeps  telling she going to spread my ashes along the NS by the T&OC station here in Bucyrus.

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Posted by maxman on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 11:40 AM

BRAKIE

   maxman

He wanted a portion of his ashes placed on the club layout in one of those brass water tanks.

 Wow!! I never heard of such a request.  My daughter keeps  telling she going to spread my ashes along the NS by the T&OC station here in Bucyrus.

 

 
That's not the best part.  The other portion of his request was to have the remaining ashes thrown into the firebox of a steam locomotive.  They found a willing participant.  As I understand it they were standing in front of the boiler with the container open, but someone opened the firebox door before they could say any appropriate words.  I'm told that the draft sucked everything right out of their hands.  So he probably got his wish to be blown out the stack.
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Posted by jjo on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 2:46 PM

Thats an interesting story and history...Makes you pause and think...

May he rest in peace...

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Posted by maxman on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 2:54 PM

jjo

Thats an interesting story and history...Makes you pause and think...

May he rest in peace...

 

Or pieces.

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Posted by dknelson on Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:56 AM

maxman
    
BRAKIE

   maxman

He wanted a portion of his ashes placed on the club layout in one of those brass water tanks.

 Wow!! I never heard of such a request.  My daughter keeps  telling she going to spread my ashes along the NS by the T&OC station here in Bucyrus. 

 

 
That's not the best part.  The other portion of his request was to have the remaining ashes thrown into the firebox of a steam locomotive.  They found a willing participant.  As I understand it they were standing in front of the boiler with the container open, but someone opened the firebox door before they could say any appropriate words.  I'm told that the draft sucked everything right out of their hands.  So he probably got his wish to be blown out the stack.
 

Which not only reminds me of  a memorable scene from the film The Big Lebowski, but also of an urban legend concerning a President of the PRR whose ashes were scattered perhaps at Horseshoe Curve -- a few days before a ballast cleaning crew came through.  Sounds like roundhouse humor but who knows?

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, April 23, 2020 4:44 PM

dknelson
Which not only reminds me of a memorable scene from the film The Big Lebowski,

There was another memorable scene from the show Hill Street Blues.  Phil wants his ashes dumped in the center of New York City, which is apparently not allowed.  So after much consideration the rest of the officers meet at night, disobey the law, and have a little ceremony.  Just as they drive away, a street sweeper turns the corner......

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Posted by KemacPrr on Friday, April 24, 2020 8:19 PM

And when his ashes went up the stack it went SSSSS    Taaaa  ---  Ken 

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Posted by maxman on Friday, April 24, 2020 8:44 PM

Badda Boom!

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