richhotrain Wolf359 I apologize if I've inadvertently gotton rude with you or anyone else on this thread, but I'm tiring of having to re-explain this situation again and again. The solution is to just stop replying to replies, and the thread will die a natural death. Let's face it.You are not going to get the locomotive that you won the bidding on. A while back, I suggested that you post a link to the original listing so that we could evaluate it. Stuff like the seller's feedback, the number of bids, the description of the item, etc. Why not do that? Rich
Wolf359 I apologize if I've inadvertently gotton rude with you or anyone else on this thread, but I'm tiring of having to re-explain this situation again and again.
I apologize if I've inadvertently gotton rude with you or anyone else on this thread, but I'm tiring of having to re-explain this situation again and again.
The solution is to just stop replying to replies, and the thread will die a natural death.
Let's face it.You are not going to get the locomotive that you won the bidding on.
A while back, I suggested that you post a link to the original listing so that we could evaluate it. Stuff like the seller's feedback, the number of bids, the description of the item, etc. Why not do that?
Rich
rrebell richhotrain Wolf359 I apologize if I've inadvertently gotton rude with you or anyone else on this thread, but I'm tiring of having to re-explain this situation again and again. The solution is to just stop replying to replies, and the thread will die a natural death. Let's face it.You are not going to get the locomotive that you won the bidding on. A while back, I suggested that you post a link to the original listing so that we could evaluate it. Stuff like the seller's feedback, the number of bids, the description of the item, etc. Why not do that? Rich You got something better to do, I am bored to death here and yes I am working on my railroad but things I am doing have dry times.
You got something better to do, I am bored to death here and yes I am working on my railroad but things I am doing have dry times.
Alton Junction
i am actually enjoying this ...:)
good fun :)
I have had things go wrong on eBay. In the end, if I get my money back, or get the item, all is OK. I would not expect both, but it has happened.
Interesting weird thing about Florida laws: In Florida, when you participate in an auction, the item is yours the moment to auctioneer says SOLD! Ownership transfers at that moment, not when you pay.
You can load the item in your car, and the auctioneer cannot stop you. Of coarse, all the auction companies know this. That is why you must register before auctions, and most will place a "hold" on your credit card for $2,000.00 before you are allowed to bid. All standard practice.
There have been cases where people in Florida have won items on ebay from sellers in Florida, driven to their location, and demanded the item without payment.
You might get, probably won't, but if you don't pay, they can sue you.
That is why every once in a while on eBay you will see a Florida seller that says in their auctions they will not sell to a buyer in Florida.
I don't know if any other state has auction regulations like this.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
SeeYou190 Interesting weird thing about Florida laws: In Florida, when you participate in an auction, the item is yours the moment to auctioneer says SOLD! Ownership transfers at that moment, not when you pay. You can load the item in your car, and the auctioneer cannot stop you.
You can load the item in your car, and the auctioneer cannot stop you.
What you are suggesting is a clear violation of the Uniform Commercial Code which is part of Florida law. Can you point to any reference to such activity?
wvg_ca i am actually enjoying this ...:) good fun :)
I agree. Can't believe it's still around. Fun times had by all!
Chuck - Modeling in HO scale and anything narrow gauge
richhotrainKevin, how sure are you about this? I am talking about the ability to load an item in your car without paying, not the timing of the ownership transfer.
I am 99% sure. At about half of the auctions I attend the auctioneer will actually explain this before the auction begins. It is written out on several of the contracts I have signed before auctions.
The speach usually goes like this:
As soon as I say "sold", according to Florida law, you are now the legal owner of this property, not when you complete payment. You are then repsonsible for the property as the new owner. If the item is stolen or lost after I say sold,you still must pay for it. If any damage occurs to the item after I say sold, you still must pay for it. You must secure the item once it is yours.
Of course, they only point out the parts of the law that benefit them when they are making that speach.
I looked for something about it online. I went to my two favorite auction companies, where I know they have these contracts online to print out before the auction, but all their sites are filled with Coronavirus cancellations and notices right now.
I am not a lawyer, but I have been to many many auctions (almost an addiction), so I am pretty sure this is accurate, or all the auction companies are in cahoots together to spread a lie.
Kevin, re-read my initial question. I am not questioning the timing of the passage of title at an auction. Florida is not unique in this regard. I am questioning your comments about the winning bidder loading the item in his car and driving off without paying.
richhotrain I am questioning your comments about the winning bidder loading the item in his car and driving off without paying.
The way auctioneers have explained this is yes, you are within your rights as a buyer to load it into your car, and they cannot stop you from driving off.
Then... they start legal procedings to get payment. You cannot be arrested for it, because it is not theft, so not criminal, but a civil matter.
The auctioneers make it very clear that they will get their money, you will pay legal fees associated, and it is a dumb thing to even consider doing.
I have never been to a live auction in Florida that did not require you to present picture ID and sign a long legal form before you were allowed to bid. At most auctions they also get a picture of your vehicle and license plate number. There is nothing informal or casual about these auctions.
My knowledge of eBay auctions with Florida sellers and Florida buyers is strictly "what I have heard", and should probably be taken with a grain of salt. It is something I would NEVER even consider doing... ever. It sounds like a good way to get in lot of trouble very quickly.
However, knowing there are jerks in the world, I am sure there are some idiots that have tried it.
SeeYou190 My knowledge of eBay auctions with Florida sellers and Florida buyers is strictly "what I have heard", and should probably be taken with a grain of salt.
My knowledge of eBay auctions with Florida sellers and Florida buyers is strictly "what I have heard", and should probably be taken with a grain of salt.