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Yard Design book by Andy Sperandeo

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:23 AM

One thing I must say for Kalmbach Media is that they do not seem to do anything on the cheap. They produce quality products with a quality feel to them.

The magazine archive is a great resource, but it is one thing I do not subscribe to. I have too many back-issues laying around.

I do not think scanning the books would be a worthwhile addition and not worth the effort, and I hope they wouldn't do it if they were not going to do it right.

How many books would even be interesting that are out of print.

Andy's Yard Design Book.

Armstrong's Creative Layout Design.

I don't think there are enough "holes" to worry about.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:30 AM

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How dare a company want to make a profit

Make a profit, exactly, how?

Not by printing more copies -- Steve says they won't.

Not in selling used copies -- those sales make them not a cent; in fact if anything they are a drag on necessary reprint demand.

Perhaps via Barnes & Noble e-book commission of some kind -- but furnishing the e-book themselves as I suggest would net them more.

Where else do you suggest they 'make a profit' in this situation?

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:39 AM

I don't read all the track planning books, because I hate track planning.

However, I would bet that within all the layout design books in print right now, MRP annuals, and the Engine Terminals book, all the information anyone needs is out there.

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Posted by York1 on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:44 AM

Overmod
That's just silly.

Silly?  I don't think it is.  You do.  That settles that.  Do you realize when you post something like, "That's just silly", it's insulting to the person who wrote the post?

Now, I'm going to be a fortune teller.  I'll predict that your answer to me will be that if I post something silly, then your comment is not an insult.

Of course,  I don't think anything you've ever posted is silly.

 

Overmod
Certainly plenty more difficult books were efficiently scanned for the T1Trust repository, so I can say for a fact it is 'doable' on relatively small budget.

Then maybe you could convince the T1Trust repository to make this 'doable' project available.  After all, they get donations to do their work, and their intent is preservation, not making a profit, unlike Kalmbach.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:47 AM

York1
Silly?  I don't think it is.  You do.  That settles that.  Do you realize when you post something like, "That's just silly", it's insulting to the person who wrote the post?

Yes +1

I am glad I am not the only one that has noticed this.

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Posted by Bayfield Transfer Railway on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 1:17 PM

Overmod

 

 
Bayfield Transfer Railway
How dare a company want to make a profit

 

Make a profit, exactly, how?

 

Not by printing more copies -- Steve says they won't.

Not in selling used copies -- those sales make them not a cent; in fact if anything they are a drag on necessary reprint demand.

Perhaps via Barnes & Noble e-book commission of some kind -- but furnishing the e-book themselves as I suggest would net them more.

Where else do you suggest they 'make a profit' in this situation?

 

 

Look at my disclaimer.

Disclaimer:  This post may contain humor, sarcasm, and/or flatulence.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 2:20 PM

I guess I’m the silly one, I thought this was a model railroad forum.


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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 2:32 PM

SeeYou190
Must have: 18 stall roundhouse for my brass steamers. Can do without: Diesel locomotive refueling/service tracks. The prototype could never make these decisions in 1954.

True, by 1954 you couldn't find a single brass locomotive on any prototype railroad.

 

 

Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

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Posted by Steven Otte on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 2:49 PM

If this thread degenerates further into argument, I will lock it.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 4:10 PM

I will try to bring this thread back on topic.

Since Kalmbach has made a business decision not to reprint this book, so be it. But let me applaud Kalmbach for publishing the book in the first place. I consider this book as one of the very best model railroading books ever published by Kalmbach.

Rich

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Posted by York1 on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 4:17 PM

Sorry, Steven and everyone.

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Posted by cuyama on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 4:33 PM

SeeYou190

I don't read all the track planning books ...
However, I would bet that within all the layout design books in print right now, MRP annuals, and the Engine Terminals book, all the information anyone needs is out there.

I do read all the track planning books; and you'd lose that bet. While there is a lot out there in other places, the Sperandeo book has principles and examples – and an explanation of choices and trade-offs – that aren't duplicated elsewhere.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 5:44 PM

cuyama

While there is a lot out there in other places, the Sperandeo book has principles and examples – and an explanation of choices and trade-offs – that aren't duplicated elsewhere. 

I agree. I have referred to that book countless times, not only when building my layouts but also when I simply needed prototype information on freight yards and specialty tracks within freight yards.

Rich

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 6:33 PM

Kalmbach DOES provide a nice sampling of freight yard design information, free of charge Yes

 

https://mrv.trains.com/-/media/Files/PDF/Marketing/Freight%20Yard%20Design.pdf

 As a .pdf you can even download it and print a copy if you are so inclined.

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Posted by cuyama on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 7:14 PM

gmpullman
Kalmbach DOES provide a nice sampling of freight yard design information, free of charge    https://mrv.trains.com/-/media/Files/PDF/Marketing/Freight%20Yard%20Design.pdf

As one of the authors included in that booklet, I agree that it has a lot of good information. Not a direct substitue for the Sperandeo book, but the price is right!

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 8:15 PM

IRONROOSTER
True, by 1954 you couldn't find a single brass locomotive on any prototype railroad.

I bet not!

Laugh  Laugh  Laugh  Laugh  Laugh  

cuyama
I do read all the track planning books; and you'd lose that bet. While there is a lot out there in other places, the Sperandeo book has principles and examples – and an explanation of choices and trade-offs – that aren't duplicated elsewhere.

I should have known that.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:06 PM

York1
Now, I'm going to be a fortune teller.  I'll predict that your answer to me will be that if I post something silly, then your comment is not an insult.

No, actually, you're right and the post has been corrected to eliminate it.  I apologize for implying anything insulting; if things need further redaction to eliminate the taint, please let me know.

And yes, I'm thankful to the Kalmbach that edited and published this book, and I would be thankful to see it offered again in some form, even though that be electronically, by the Kalmbach now.

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, September 3, 2020 8:29 AM

Overmod
I apologize for implying anything insulting; if things need further redaction to eliminate the taint, please let me know.

I also apologize for my posts to you.  I appreciate your insights on railroading.

York1 John       

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, September 3, 2020 2:21 PM

York1
I also apologize for my posts to you. 

Din't you dare!  It's important to speak the truth, even to power, to make them see reason.  And here you had good reason, and every reason, to criticize.

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Posted by The Milwaukee Road Warrior on Saturday, September 5, 2020 3:44 PM

A big thanks to SantaFe5000, who sent me his copy of the book for keeps.  And wouldn't even let me pay the shipping.  Indifferent

It is a great book, and together with the Engine Terminals book and the Armstrong one I have plenty to think thru as I start laying track this fall.  Good stuff.

Andy

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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, September 5, 2020 3:53 PM

Kudos to SantaFe5000!  BowBowBow

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, September 5, 2020 4:01 PM

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, September 5, 2020 4:03 PM

Santa Fe, thank you for your generous action!

York1 John       

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