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1830's?
Posted by NVSRR on Monday, July 22, 2019 9:12 AM

Anybody ever create a layout or moduals based on the real early days of steam. The 1830's 1840's in the US. Or earlier 1800's in europe?

The very first self powered boiler on wheels was used to move coal and iron ore at a foundry.  The one that made it.  

It would make for an interesting discussion piece 

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Monday, July 22, 2019 9:17 AM

Many people modeling in this era like to model the Civil War.

 

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Posted by chutton01 on Monday, July 22, 2019 9:29 AM

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Many people modeling in this era like to model the Civil War.


There was significant change and progress in engine design, infrastructure, and operations, and network reach from the DeWitt Clintons & John Bull era of the 1830s to the 4-4-0 American era of the 1860s, as any fan of the Railway Tycoon style games will agree.
I guess in HO one can hunt down the various Bachmann historical release for locomotives and rolling stock of the 1830s.
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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Monday, July 22, 2019 9:54 AM

Modellling the "baby days" of railroading is quite a challenge, as there is very little available. Bachmann did a few US prototype engines and carriages a few years ago. Hornby made a set with the famous "Rocket" and Marklin/Trix a set with Germany´s first train of 1835 " Adler" and Piko a set with the 1839 engine "Saxonia". One of the biggest drawback is the diminuitive size of the locos, which makes it difficult to incorporate a motor.

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, July 22, 2019 10:20 AM

Besides the ones already mentioned, only other period train I can think of is Lionel's 1:48 scale model of "The Best Friend of Charleston" a few years ago....

http://www.lionel.com/products/the-best-friend-of-charleston-6-30065/

As I recall, the July 1976 issue of MR had a story on modelling the 1830's-40's.

Preiser makes at least some era-appropriate figures.

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Posted by NVSRR on Monday, July 22, 2019 11:17 AM

ATT did stephenson's rocket.  I can see it being a challange for historical reasons.  

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Posted by dknelson on Monday, July 22, 2019 11:37 AM

A few years ago someone was offering and advertised in MR an imported brass HO version of the 1832 "Catawissa" - sans tender as I recall (assuming the original had a tender as we know it).  It had a look that was indeed "pre-Civil War" but showed the elements - horizontal boiler, cab, large smoke stack -- that began to resemble the standard locos of the 1850s and 60s -  but no drive rods.  

https://brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/068960/HO-Brass-Model-Train-Choo-Choo-Stop-PRR-Catawissa-1832-0-4-0

There was also a cast metal unpowered O scale "Best Friend" model from E. Alexander - available for years and years. An unpowered HO scale CNW/CB&Q "Pioneer" was around, not a very good replica as I recall but cheap.  I also recall a nice large scale plastic kit, likely unpowered, of the Rocket, and wasn't there an HO model of the Rocket that was live steam?

If you look at the earliest locomotives shown in George Abdill's book A Locomotive Engineer's Album (highly recommended for those with a taste for early and unusual steam locomotives), you realize the difficulty in finding a place for a motor for models in scales smaller than O or S, because the engines were either tiny or oddly constructed (the B&O grasshoppers) or both.  Bachmann worked some minor miracles in model design to come up with their early locomotives such as the John Bull.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Monday, July 22, 2019 11:55 AM

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Monday, July 22, 2019 7:32 PM

I have 3 of the Bachmann sets bought years ago at a steep dicsount from a Tuesday Morning shop.  It's not just the challenge of the small size, but track initially was strap iron on timber stringers.  And stub turnouts. And link & pin couplers.

It would be fascinating to model this in O scale.  And doable since you can use very sharp curves.

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Posted by G Paine on Monday, July 22, 2019 10:43 PM

chutton01
Railway Tycoon style games

Those early locomotives are fun to play, watching them struggle to pull 2 or 3 small cars without breaking down. Names like Grasshopper 0-4-0, Planet 2-2-0, Norrris 4-2-0, Adler 2-2-2

George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch 

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