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Anyone know more about the Kato Budd Business car?

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Anyone know more about the Kato Budd Business car?
Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, May 18, 2019 11:59 AM

I was just looking at the Kato website, and the HO Budd Business car caught my eye. I was even more interested to see it comes in Northern Pacific.

Then I noticed the picture of the car looked kind of strange, the lighter green part of the paint looked the completely wrong color. Also the car looked shorter than it should. Does anyone know how prototypical these cars are?

Also is there an N scale version, or is there projected to be one? I also model N and an NP business car would fit my layout well.

Finally do the cars come undecorated? The car look like it could be modified into a nice model of SP&S 99, is that possible?

Thanks in advance for answers!

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, May 18, 2019 4:10 PM

I believe the closest prototype for the model was a custom car built by the CHICAGO BURLINGTON & QUINCY.

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There was an undecorated car offered in N scale years ago. I don't know about current releases. The STRATTON AND GILLETTE had one back when it was an N scale railroad, so it must be an older model. I do not know if an undecorated version was ever offered in HO.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Saturday, May 18, 2019 6:35 PM

Kato made several business cars in N Scale, but not in the Northern Pacific paint scheme that your looking for.

Here's a list that they have done.

BNSF, Amtrak, Santa Fe, CB&Q, Pennsylvania, Canadian Pacific, New York Central, Union Pacific, Southern, and Southern Pacific.

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Posted by gmpullman on Saturday, May 18, 2019 6:47 PM

I painted mine to look like the PRR 1000 which was built by Wabash as the Adolphus for Anheuser-Busch. PRR bought the car in 1965 for use by Stuart T. Saunders.

 PRR_Z85 by Edmund, on Flickr

Later the car went to Amtrak (lease).

 IMG_9927_fix by Edmund, on Flickr

It is a well made car. Business cars were relatively unique so a little "modeler's licence" can be used to make a close-enough representation.

 PRR_1000_Z85 by Edmund, on Flickr

The Kato car is a good representation. I could measure it for you but it is pretty close to the usual 82-85 feet for a car of this type. There is a lighting kit that installs easily. Details are good but just a bit thick, as is the standard for Kato.

 

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Sunday, May 19, 2019 8:00 AM

angelob6660

Kato made several business cars in N Scale, but not in the Northern Pacific paint scheme that your looking for.

Then how do you explain this!Smile 

From the Kato website, look here: https://www.katousa.com/HO/Business/index.html

The lighter green paint looks too light to be correct Lowey green color though. That is one of my problems with it.

I was wondering if anyone had one of these, and is the green really is incorrect or if that’s just the picture.

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Posted by nealknows on Sunday, May 19, 2019 9:27 AM

I have 4 of them in HO scale, all run well and look great!

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, May 19, 2019 10:34 AM

SPSOT fan
Then how do you explain this!

Your link takes me to HO business cars?

From several discussions I've had and one NP car that I bought for a friend, all were disappointed in the color of the Lowey Green.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Sunday, May 19, 2019 8:35 PM

SPSOT fan

 

 
angelob6660

Kato made several business cars in N Scale, but not in the Northern Pacific paint scheme that your looking for.

 

 

Then how do you explain this!Smile 

The car is decorated in HO and not in which you wanted information on. Plus you forgot to mention the painted Baltimore and Ohio car that is listed with the Northern Pacific. Kato didn't paint the schemes for both scales.

Try to find a business car and customize it in the NP.

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Sunday, May 19, 2019 10:29 PM

angelob6660

The car is decorated in HO and not in which you wanted information on. Plus you forgot to mention the painted Baltimore and Ohio car that is listed with the Northern Pacific. Kato didn't paint the schemes for both scales.

Try to find a business car and customize it in the NP. 

Ahh, I see, you were referring to the N scale model! Thanks for the clarification.

I don’t think the car is worth getting, it sounds like the green is quite off, and at $48 a piece I want my car to be perfect! Correct everything!

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, May 20, 2019 2:57 AM

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I don’t think the car is worth getting, it sounds like the green is quite off, and at $48 a piece I want my car to be perfect! Correct everything!

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, May 20, 2019 11:04 AM

I believe the green colors used on the NP car match the other NP equipment Kato has produced. If there is/was an N-scale version of the car, it most certainly would match Kato's NP F-units. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean their colors will match other NP cars made by other manufacturers.

The bigger issue is that the car isn't like anything NP ever owned, the only fluted-side cars they had were the Slumbercoaches, and those were left in stainless-steel silver.

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Monday, May 20, 2019 11:28 AM

Waiting by Bear, on Flickr

It seams my rivet counting has earned me my first Bear Toon!

I would definitely admit to being a proud member of the Prototype Police!

Yes, if I ever try to find something specific I will be waiting trackside awhile!

Thanks for the laugh Bear!

Regards, Isaac

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, May 20, 2019 5:06 PM

I have two Kato business cars.

One is correctly painted and letter for CB&Q, the prototytpe for the model.

The other is Northern Paciifc, and yes, the green colors are not correct. When I operate this car, I couple it with a Walthers Budd Slumber Coach (Stainless steel car) between it and other NP green cars. 

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Posted by ho modern modeler on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 8:46 PM

I had the HO NP car and I sold it because it didn't match any of my Walthers or the ones that I painted. The light green was yellowish and the dark green was more like Pullman Green. It could have been shorter as well.

 

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Posted by robert sylvester on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 5:54 PM

Confused If I didn't know any better that looks a lot like by dad. He was born in 1906 and when he was about 21 traveled to the West Coast trying to make it in Hollywood. It looks similar to a picture my uncle took of him when he left Jersey around 1926 or so. He made it there but ended up joining the army and fought in WWII.

Fascinating picture.

Robert Sylvester

Newberry-Columbia Line, SC

 

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