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Lionel 4454 Daylight bought, Tips for re-shelling the model?

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Lionel 4454 Daylight bought, Tips for re-shelling the model?
Posted by Safety Valve on Saturday, April 27, 2019 6:19 PM

Hi, I was recently at the Pittsburgh Model Railroad Jamboree and I Found This! its my newest Lionel HO 4454, the model was $30 at the show, and it works really well! the model I would like to know if its compatible with the Bachmann shell or not? I'd like to use their Normal 4449 Daylight Limited Shell (The Boiler/Cab Portion) or if they changed the desing over the years???  has anyone done this before? thanks for any insight on this if possible.. Wink would definatly be a great budget build! Big Smile

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Posted by Darth Santa Fe on Saturday, April 27, 2019 6:51 PM

Yes, they use the same shell, but you might have to get an old one since the new ones fit on a different chassis (I'm not 100% sure). Some of Lionel's HO models were made by Bachmann.

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Posted by M636C on Saturday, April 27, 2019 7:50 PM

The original Bachmann mechanism in the GS4 is susceptible to damage since it uses large plastic spur gears. This needs to be treated carefully to avoid damage to the gears, much more so than most other mechanisms. After all this time (the model must be around 40 years old by now) Bachmann no longer provide spare parts.

If you want a current Bachmann shell, that should be available but it may cost more than you paid for the old Lionel model. The paint may not match the existing Lionel/Bachmann tender so you may find that it would be as cheap to buy a new Bachmann GS4 if you can get it at a good price.  It is likely that the attachment points of the newer shell could be different. I also have a Lionel GS4 and a black Bachmann GS4 of the current pattern but I've never tried to swap the shells over. I don't know what Bachmann charge for parts but Trainworld offer the GS4 for $179.

But to keep the Lionel loco working, you should never push the loco forward if it stalls on the track, since this can cause a tooth to break off the large spur gear. It should be kept well lubricated to reduce internal friction.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Sunday, April 28, 2019 8:22 AM

At one time I had 8 of the older Bachmann GS4s, a couple of them were Lionel.  I had both Daylight and War Babies and the problem with everyone was the drivers fell off.  Eventually I kept all of the shells and tenders and sold the frames on eBay for parts only.
 
I have one newer Bachmann DCC GS4 Daylight that I purchased in 2015 that runs very nice and the shells are interchangeable.
 
I used the older Bachmann GS4 shells to kitbash several Rivarossi Cab Forwards into SP AC-9s, two GS4 shells for each AC-9.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The Bachmann GS4 shells work great for kitbashing!
 
 
Mel
 
 
My Model Railroad   
 
Bakersfield, California
 
I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
 

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