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Brick work in kits and flat sheeting
Posted by PC101 on Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:08 PM

Can anybody answer why the Manufactures that make Brick walls in kits or sheeting do not use Header bricks every so many courses? Easyway out or just clueless.

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, May 13, 2018 2:29 PM

Can you be more specific?

Nearly all the brick Walthers kits I've built in the last few years have exceptional brick detail. Many of the offerings from Vollmer, Kibri, Faller and others have excellent brick detail as well.

This wall of the Modern Roundhouse uses Scottish Bond:

 RH_grout1 by Edmund, on Flickr

The PRR signal tower has gone one step further with very nice brick detail.

 IMG_6016_crop by Edmund, on Flickr

Some manufacturers have not kept up with modern tooling and there's always the poorly rendered, vacuum-formed brick sheet which lacks any kind of "detail". Do you have examples in mind?

Regards, Ed

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:34 PM

PC101
Can anybody answer why the Manufactures that make Brick walls in kits or sheeting do not use Header bricks every so many courses? Easyway out or just clueless.

Maybe pay closer attention to the brick sheets your buying, as not all brick work uses the header course.

Like the brick work that Ed shows in his post, there is a header course every seventh course.

Any of the Walthers sheets, along with their Cornerstone buildings have the header course.  I'm not sure about other manufacturers or brands.

Structural brick work can have a variety of "bonds", and if the brick work is a veneer, and not part of the structural wall, it won't have the header course, as other types of mechanical fasnters are used.

The header course is an indication that the brick is part of the structural wall, as the interior block, or brick, is layed up with the exterior.  That header course is one way of bonding the two walls together, but not the only way.

So if you want a pattern with the header course, look at the product your buying and see if it has what you want.

Mike.

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, May 13, 2018 3:44 PM

mbinsewi
Structural brick work can have a variety of "bonds", and if the brick work is a veneer, and not part of the structural wall, it won't have the header course, as other types of mechanical fasnters are used.

Excellent examples here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brickwork

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by PC101 on Sunday, May 13, 2018 4:38 PM

gmpullman, your tower looks beautiful, yes I see stone or brick work as beautiful. I like the aged copper spouting and bay window.

Yes, here are some Walthers manufactured controled products without and with Header brick work.

 

kit #3048 champion packing plant (no)

kit #3039 backshop (no)

kit #3015 o.l.king coal (no)

kit #3045 vulcan manuf. (no)

kit #3016 allied rail rebuilders (no)

kit #3040 car shop (no)

kit #2970 railroad shop (no)

kit #3702 lakeside shipping (no)

kit #3009 water st. fright (no)

kit #3788 williams ind. motors (yes)

kit #3189 fire proof storage (yes)

kit #3176 parkview terrace apt. (yes)

kit #2982 block tower (yes)

built up #807 tenth world comics (no)

built up #805 wallschlager motors (no)

built up #813 paul's Pizzeria (no)

The vacuum sheets are just cookie cutter disapointments.

Now Walthers #3523 brick sheets are beautifuly made, someone is paying attention.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by G Paine on Sunday, May 13, 2018 11:03 PM

These are the Walthers brick sheets. I have used them. They have the header brick molded in. They are designed to interlock, so sheets can be joined to the side and/or top to create a larger wall. They come in 2 colors

https://www.walthers.com/search/category/products/accessories/scratch-building-supplies/scale/ho-scale/manufacturer-name/walthers-cornerstone/show/20?match=AND&q=brick+sheet

 

 

George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch 

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Posted by j. c. on Monday, May 14, 2018 1:17 AM

brick bond patterens are a complex thing as one poster showed in link . some old boom town buildings were built using the running or strecher bond (no headers)they were often only one  or two story,  others used the common or american bond (headers). one old three story building i once worked in had walls of thee bricks thick two corses were of the common bond and of second grade brick the third corse was of grade one brick and on a running bond, i'm told this was a commonly done . so unless your building a copy of a real life building in a model you can get by with almost anything you want.   

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