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Flame Throwers and Other Snow Battles
Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Monday, March 26, 2018 8:09 PM

So I found an article today talking about the winter of 48-49, where massive blizzards struck the western states. Reading it, there is a description of Union Pacific using flamethrowers to clear the rails in Wyoming. That's right, flamethrower squads roming the wilds of souther Wyoming on the old transcon; bringing firey death to snow! Indifferent http://www.standard.net/Local/2014/01/02/Recalling-the-infamous-Utah-winter-of-1948-49

Soooo... with that in my mind (and to celebrate the coming spring time weather); what are the most outragous and cool snow battling equipment on your model railroads? Terminals for a large rotary fleet? An army of Jordan Spreaders? Or does anyone perhaps have a squad of veteran flamethrowers raining death on the snow? 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Monday, March 26, 2018 8:30 PM

At the steel plant where I worked, they usually used wheeled or tracked vehicles for major snow removal, but they also had a jet-powered snow melter for keeping turnouts functioning.  Between the noise and the flying debris, you wouldn't want to get too close.

On my layout, I have a pretty-much stock Walthers plow...

...and a somewhat modified Jordan spreader, also from Walthers...

I'll eventually add a rotary plow, too, but that's probably a scratchbuilding project.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, March 26, 2018 8:38 PM

Is this the first you've heard of such equipment?

I don't have room for anything snow related sitting around, except the typical plow on the locos, and even a plow on the rear for the loco I use for switching.

It's always June on my layout, green leaves, birds singing, green grass, summer breezes, rail crews in shirt sleeves, windows open, and beer on ice. Smile, Wink & Grin along with all of the other very pleasent sights one sees on the streets of summer time. Stick out tongue

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Posted by RR_Mel on Monday, March 26, 2018 9:03 PM

I don’t know much about the winter of 48/49 but if it was the winter of 49/50 I was on the UP City of Los Angeles December 21 1949 with my Mother and brother and we were stopped by deep snow on Donner Pass.  The SP sent a snow blower from the Roseville Yard to open the track.  The train didn’t move for over 19 hours.
 
Don’t remember much but I do remember seeing the snow blower doing it’s thing.  We couldn’t see out the windows of our room because of the snow.  My brother and I managed to get up to one of the vista domes to see the blower coming early the next morning.
 
Great memory for a 12 year old boy.  My brother didn’t remember any of it, he was 3 years old.
 
 
 
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Posted by UNCLEBUTCH on Monday, March 26, 2018 9:08 PM

mbinsewi
It's always June on my layout, green leaves, birds singing, green grass, summer breezes, rail crews in shirt sleeves, windows open, and beer on ice. along with all of the other very pleasent sights one sees on the streets of summer time.

 In fact; the town of Kowerville has passed laws that ban ownership of any kind of snow removal equipment. Shovels are allowed by permit only.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, March 26, 2018 9:22 PM

UNCLEBUTCH
In fact; the town of Kowerville has passed laws that ban ownership of any kind of snow removal equipment. Shovels are allowed by permit only.

Hmmm, Kowerville, lets see (heading to Google Maps), doesn't seem to show up, but anyway, it must be a great place to live! Laugh

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, March 26, 2018 10:06 PM

mbinsewi
and beer on ice

Cruelity to Animals!!! 

Oops - Sign I should have put my spectacles on!!! Beer not Bear.EmbarrassedSmile, Wink & Grin
 
While actual plans would be good, I’ve enough different photos from different angles, (More would always be better) to have started drawing HO scale plans of what will hopefully be a reasonable facsimile.
on Flickr
 
The big problem is where it will end up on my list of things to do!!
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Posted by G Paine on Monday, March 26, 2018 10:49 PM

I do not have one, but Custom Finishing makes a metal kit for a jet snow melter. I have seen video of one of these in use

https://www.walthers.com/maintenance-of-way-mow-work-train-equipment-unpainted-metal-kit-jet-snow-melter

 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Monday, March 26, 2018 11:21 PM

 on Flickr

Ah, the Barber-Greene Sno-Loader.  I don't have one, but did build a locomotive for a friend which included the steam delivery pipe used with those machines.  It ran from the steam dome to the front of the smokebox...

...from there, the connection would be a hose or perhaps a pipe with a swivel connector.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 2:12 AM

Wayne, I "borrowed" Whistling Embarrassed that photo some time ago and filed it along with the other Snow Loader photos I found. 

Cheers, the Bear.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:04 AM

 Can't really beat a jet engine for darn near anything - melting snow, propelling a locomotive, or, mounted to a tank chassis, blowing out oil well fires (yes, there is such a thing!).

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:19 AM

Just had to look that up!  Jet powered flame displacement!

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:38 AM

mbinsewi

Is this the first you've heard of such equipment?

Well I am pretty familiar with rotaries, spreaders, plows, and even the jet blowers which blow snow off the tracks. I wasn't that familiar with flamethrowers as snow removal tools. Big Smile

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:18 AM

xboxtravis7992
I wasn't that familiar with flamethrowers as snow removal tools.

Yea, they're something, hey!  Through all the years I've been a railroad fan, I've leaned that no matter what you can come up, there's a prototype out there, somewhere. Laugh

Go back and check out Dr. Wayne's spreader, he's an amazing modeler.  I read where he even used parts from disposable lighters to make the tiny hydraulic ram parts.

We can get some exteme winter conditions here in WI., but I never have been up close to the massive blowers, and equipment that is used daily, in some the western mountain areas.

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Posted by Lone Wolf and Santa Fe on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 12:27 PM

    I’ve never heard of anyone using a flame thrower but I have seen people using a cutting torch to melt the ice on couplers. I have also seen them using a shotgun to shoot down icicles inside of tunnels.
    I’ve seen rotary plows at work on Donner Pass. They are pretty loud and they throw snow down the side of the mountain which makes a pretty nice run for inner tubes or saucer sleds. When we were kids we were always happy when they would come by.
    It’s always winter in the mountains on my layout so I have rotary plows, Jordan Spreaders and a flanger. Two of my spreaders are Walthers kits which are the compressed air type. I am scratch building a modern hydraulic spreader.
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   I'm still working on customizing the rotary plows. They will have Southern Pacific style blades which can be opened up to cut a wider path through the snow. They will also have marine windows installed to keep the snow from blocking the view of the operator. And the boiler in the rear will be removed to match the prototype and a door from an old F7 B unit will be added.

http://www.trainweb.org/lonewolfsantafe/cafe05.jpg

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Posted by mlehman on Tuesday, March 27, 2018 11:24 PM

While actual plans would be good, I’ve enough different photos from different angles, (More would always be better) to have started drawing HO scale plans of what will hopefully be a reasonable facsimile. on Flickr The big problem is where it will end up on my list of things to do!!

Wow, those Canadians really went to war on snow with that one. They even hauled the resulting water away. Amazing.

The Mears lines north out of Silverton i model were like the Silverton Branch itself -- too many rocks embedded in the slides and drifts to run anything but wedge plows and snow shovels. But it's always interesting to see how others do things. All we have is a flanger -- and snow shovels.

There was a really weird rotary, of a sort, that ran in testing on the Alpine Pass  line of the DSP&P/C&S up near Gunnison - the Jull. Never seen it modeled that I recall. It had a blade assembly that resembled a giant screw that angled down towards one rail at its front end, but rather like conventional rotaries from there back. A few were produced, but it turned out to be a design dead-end.

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:06 AM
Apologies to the OP, if I’m going too far off track!

mlehman
Wow, those Canadians really went to war on snow with that one. They even hauled the resulting water away. Amazing.

Gidday Mike, I have found photos of variations of the Barber-Greene Snow loaders in New Haven, New York Central, and Union Pacific service.
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There was a really weird rotary, of a sort,...
 
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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 6:39 AM

 That I think is yet a different one. I recall seeing a pic of the one Mike mentioned, the spiral cone sat at an angle to the track, not head on like that Cyclone thing.

You can be fairly sure that if it could move deep snow, the railroads probably at least tried it.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 7:25 AM

I found a picture of a jull, from here: http://www.owrhs.org/richs_models.html

Courtesey of Rich Cobb's modelshop, and the Ontario & Western RR. Historical Soc.

And,  I do have one peice of snow equipment.  It's never out, and I forgot I had it!

It's the only piece of brass I have.

Kind of a blurry picture.

Mike.

EDIT:  Check out Rich Cobb'sweb site, scroll to the bottom, and you'll see the picture I posted, along with a model that Rich built.

Check some of his other work, amazing stuff!

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Posted by mlehman on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:55 AM

I have found photos of variations of the Barber-Greene Snow loaders in New Haven, New York Central, and Union Pacific service.

Barber-Greene is someone I hadn't heard of. Looks like they made lots of other machinery, but mostly non-RR. Still could make for some interesting loads with much of it.

https://vulcanhammer.info/2017/08/11/caldwell-steam-snow-plow/

Don't recall that one, either, but I'll bet the Jull and Caldwell folks spent lots of money on patent attorneys. I vaguely recall reading about such a conflict involving the Jull. Makes more sense now that I've seen the Caldwell.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 9:55 AM

I painted this brass one for a friend, a week or so ago...

...and after some weathering...

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Posted by hardcoalcase on Saturday, March 31, 2018 12:58 PM

I recall that in a long-ago MR (60's maybe?) that one RR had a long-retired articulated steam loco modified to blow the exhaust steam (from one set of cylinders apparently) downward to melt the snow and ice from yard tracks.

I'd bet there would have been a long line of gray-beard engineers willing to take that task for a trip down memory lane.

Jim

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