Working on the Walthers Roundhouse today and again I wished they finished the inside with brick walls to match the outside. I put in the side doors and was further disgruntled about the finish quality of Walthers kits.
Here is the outside.
The inside of the door looked like this.
I took some Avery label paper and made some photocopies of the door. The inside of the door now looks like this. Enough to fool a camera peeking in through the roundhouse door? At least it is better than nothing. Is there a better way to do it?
I took some Avery label paper and made some photocopies of the door.
The inside of the door now looks like this. Enough to fool a camera peeking in through the roundhouse door?
At least it is better than nothing. Is there a better way to do it?
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
I like it, Brent! And I wouldn't have been able to tell it was a photo unless you had mentioned it. Yea, those inside door panels on the Walthers kits always bothered me for the same reason.
Tom
https://tstage9.wixsite.com/nyc-modeling
Time...It marches on...without ever turning around to see if anyone is even keeping in step.
Brent,
Looks to Me about the easiest......how about light bleed through?
Looks pretty good though!
Take Care!
Frank
Looks good, especially if you're peering through a window.
BATMANIs there a better way to do it?
Grandt doors have inside detail.
Could be worse. I can remember - you probably can, too - when you didn't even have bricks inside a brick building.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL
I agree, the "cheat" works for me.
As far as light bleed, I would not expect much, at least a bit less than the gray plastic door alone
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
Nice to see that you remembered to flip the copied image so that the man-door lined up properly with the outside version. Looks good to me.
Wayne
G Paine As far as light bleed, I would not expect much, at least a bit less than the gray plastic door alone
A layer of aluminum foil under the photo will stop light bleed.
Yeah, it looks good to me, too.
Of course, it's an opportunity to scratchbuild a two-sided door, maybe with the little one open.
Ed
"Cheat" makes it sound naughty and like a bad thing. IMO, in the hobby, there is no cheat. Creative solution yes.
Rio Grande. The Action Road - Focus 1977-1983
I also printed up a brick pattern for the inside of my roundhouse. I used a cinderblock pattern printed on cardstock. The thick paper makes an effective light block.
There's only one side-wall door in this roundhouse, and the inside of the door can't be seen from the outside. After a while, I began to realize that spending a lot of time detailing inside walls makes no sense unless you've got big windows or door that you can see through.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
MisterBeasleyspending a lot of time detailing inside walls makes no sense unless you've got big windows or door that you can see through.
Or intend a Bob Boudreau-style interior photo of the roundhouse.
Dave Nelson
Hi Brent:
The 'cheat' looks really good! Also, you have done a great job on the inside brick!
I have the kit too (actually three of them). I wish the windows weren't so 'clunky'. If other manufacturers like Tichy can do fine detail castings why can't Walthers? Ok, ok, I know it would raise the price. I would gladly pay another $10.00 - $15.00 for interior detailing and decent windows, but that would take all the fun out of it. Obviously this is a case where you're getting what you paid for.
Dave
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
You have great results there, Brent. All we really need to do is trick the eye into believeing that there is a door with texture and color there.
MisterBeasleyI also printed up a brick pattern for the inside of my roundhouse. I used a cinderblock pattern printed on cardstock.
There was a discussion a while back where someone was looking for flooring.
I frequently use a site called https://www.textures.com/
where I download the desired artwork, manipulate it in Photoshop and then import it into a vector graphic program (I use CorelDRAW) where I can flip, clone, duplicate, stretch and re-scale the artwork.
You can download X- number of images per day, depending on the resolution you need (usually not too high) then save them in a folder for your model RR graphics.
For instance, just take a look at the "Reinforced Brick" page alone:
https://www.textures.com/browse/reinforced/32109
There was some discussion about it here:
http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/11/t/260320.aspx
Once you get the hang of it you can make very convincing photo-realistic walls, floors, signs and even some of the rust streaks are "masked" so you can print them on decal sheets.
Here's a roof done in roll roofing that I downloaded from the site and cloned, duplicated and stretched to fit:
IMG_9425_fix_web by Edmund, on Flickr
This "Pullman" carpeting came from that site:
IMG_0357_fix by Edmund, on Flickr
The green/black/cream tile and floor in this brewery likewise was printed from downloaded textures:
IMG_4638_fix by Edmund, on Flickr
Have Fun! Ed
MisterBeasleyAfter a while, I began to realize that spending a lot of time detailing inside walls makes no sense unless you've got big windows or door that you can see through.
Or have the roof lift-off.
That works for me, but so far it looks like Alladdin and the 40 Thieves got there first - except for the light bulbs and wiring...
Very clever Brent. As modelers we cheat all the time, don't we?
Simon
Thanks for the general on my door solution.
The brick pattern on the wall was also done on Avery label paper. I did a test with regular paper and rubber cement, I have had great success using that method for flooring, however for some reason it bubbled on the RH walls, so I went with the label paper.
I found a brick pattern that was close to what the inside of C.P. roundhouses looked like, they painted everything inside white, to help brighten up the place I am guessing. I had to run off some copies on regular paper until I got the brick size to match up with the size of the exterior bricks perfectly and then printed it off on label paper.
Wayne, I was thinking of you when I was making sure the doors were orientated the correct way. I then thought,"you know Wayne would just scratch build some new doors". That was a chore I did not want to tackle right now, though I have scratch built a dutch door with a window in the top and it came out great.
I have spent the morning gluing on coverslips for the glass in the windows. Dave, not only are the windows thick and clunky the plastic they give you for the glass is just ridiculous, it must be 1/8" thick. You cannot even see the coverslips on the window frames and I think they look great, especially on the inside wall. They should not or barely be detectable when doing the Bob Boudreau through the door action shots, which is what I am hoping for.
Wow, three days in a row in the trainroom, someone feel my head, I must be delirious and imagining things. I am determined to make a dent in the kits I have lined up.
I have done flooring with resized images from Google. I figure Asbestos filled linoleum tiles were the way to go for my elevator employees.
You can barely see the floor through the door, however, it really stood out when there was no floor.
I think the solution is a good one. The images you posted look very convincing to my eye.
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-Kevin
Living the dream.
Cheat? Why is anything like this cheating? I prefer to think of it as an illusion, and each of us is, in his or her own way, a magician.
The City Classics Diner is another simple model, just walls and a roof, but the big windows beg for detailing inside.
Model Railroading Light and Magic turn this inexpensive and unassuming kit into a personal favorite, deserving of a spot near the front of my layout.
I used that same "textures" web site for walls and floors, and for the checkerboard tablecloths, too. The tables, barriers and benches are styrene. "Napkin holders" are nothing but styrene rods painted silver. I typically only use one or two figures at a time from a six-pack, leaving me plenty of extras to populate scenes like this later. The "cook" in the lower left was a robotic-looking olive green military figure from 60-some years ago, re-purposed with white paint. The stools at the counter are carpet tacks.
"Cheat" is so 10-years-ago...
I believe the current over-used term du jour is "hack".
Dan Stokes
My other car is a tunnel motor
stokesda "Cheat" is so 10-years-ago... I believe the current over-used term du jour is "hack".
My kid would say hack as well, however when he is Mr. movie star he comes home and tells me about what happened on the set that day. He says that if something on set needs to be changed in a hurry they yell out "we need a cheat" usually used to hide or change something that is encroaching into the shot. He has also started using the word "cheat". That is probably where I got it from.
It looks good!
And, while I would not say "cheat", I would call it an "illusion", or "trick".
A "cheat" is what happens when the team owner pays the referees more so that his team wins... By overturning a "catch" into a "non-catch".... Or getting a "defensive pass interference" call on a totally non-catchable pass....
Just saying!
Ricky W.
HO scale Proto-freelancer.
My Railroad rules:
1: It's my railroad, my rules.
2: It's for having fun and enjoyment.
3: Any objections, consult above rules.
ricktrains4824And, while I would not say "cheat", I would call it an "illusion", or "trick".
The French had a phrase for it:
Trompe-l'œil (French for "deceive the eye", pronounced [tʁɔ̃p lœj])
Even the railroads used "Shadowlining" which was black shading spray painted on a silver background used to make a heavyweight Pullman "look" like a fluted-side streamlined car.
http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/923756/3f960b81-e5e0-4219-bace-32c43f75c444-A28915.jpg
Interesting — Regards, Ed
Okay, Ed, I gotta ask. How does a guy from Ohio find a photo on the City of Vancouver Archives?
And HMMMMM!
Got a right proper example to show us?
BATMANGot a right proper example to show us?
Why are you folks North of the 49th trying to steal our nice Pullman cars? All the way from Florida, to boot! Then boldly taking a photo of it to brag of your conquest!
Thought you pulled a fast one!
Actually, I found that site quite by accident a few years ago when one of the Forum members was looking for a photo of the Vancouver CPR station.
Just to show my appreciation to my fine neighbors up north, I like to run this beautiful CP Park-series dome-obs on my layout
IMG_6762_fix by Edmund, on Flickr
Cheers! Ed
gmpullman...I like to run this beautiful CP Park-series dome-obs on my layout
Ed, you can still ride the real cars, too. The photos below were taken a couple of years ago, on the Ocean (formerly the Ocean Limited)...
Thanks for those photos, Wayne!
A friend of mine has Riding Mountain Park at his railroad in Adrian, Michigan.
http://trainweb.org/DOMEmain/picCP15412g.jpg
They were using it on a dinner train a few years ago. I'm not sure of any recent activity. I got to ride the Canadian back in 1974 from Ottawa, to Winnipeg, but I don't have any record of which observation car was in the consist.
My model is the Tremblant Park which is still in service
These cars have to be my all-time favorite revenue cars.
Cheers, Ed