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Livery for the NorthWestern Pacific SouthWestern Pacific Lines Railroad

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Livery for the NorthWestern Pacific SouthWestern Pacific Lines Railroad
Posted by NWP SWP on Thursday, November 09, 2017 2:46 PM

I am currently working on developing a livery or paint scheme for the NWP/SWP system. To give you a little background on the railroad first.

In the 1930s the Western Pacific was struggling due to the Depression and so the WP management approached both the Northern Pacific and the Southern Pacific railroads about merging their respective lines into one system, both the NP and SP refused at first but after a couple of months they agreed to the merger. Then came the problem of getting approval from the ICC to help themselves along a little they devised a plan in which each railroad would retain ownership of their route but they also would grant trackage rights to the other two lines in addition to the creation of two other lines the NWP and the SWP.

So as you now know the railroad reaches from the desert into the mountains.

I have toyed with idea of making a navy and burgundy scheme or a sunset like scheme or a monochromatic blue, green, or red.

Any opinions or ideas???

Steven

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, November 09, 2017 3:13 PM

It's your freelance RR.  You can choose any color-scheme you want.  Maybe combine a color(s) from both the NP and SP to come up with something unique...

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Posted by NWP SWP on Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:19 PM

Yeah I was thinking of combining the liveries of the three parent roads.

But I'm asking for outside input too.

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, November 09, 2017 4:24 PM

Some sort of logo (e.g. a silhouetted spruce tree - like the MEC) would make for a nice backdrop for the lettering...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 10, 2017 6:42 PM

I am actually considering writing an article on designing paint schemes for private roadnames (freelance).

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Best basic recomendations: Keep the stripes horizontal. Limit the pallet to black, green, dark blue, yellow, white, silver, and reddish brown (or burgandy). Keep it railroady and normal. Circular logos are always best, but if you are creative, other styles can work. Simple heralds like pine trees and horse heads are fine. Don't go overboard.

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If you want to pay homage to legacy roads, do it with colors, not with striping schemes.

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Lettering should be white or yellow on a dark color, or black on white or yellow. Pretty much any other combination will not look right.

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Gold should only be used for striping.

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I hope some of this helped you out.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 10, 2017 6:55 PM

So the simple sunset idea is bad? And as for the herald would something like the actual NorthWestern Pacific Herald.

Like this.

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by tstage on Friday, November 10, 2017 7:21 PM

How 'bout a "WP" being central to the logo (since it's common to both) then have the "N" and "S" above and below (respectively) the "WP" to represent the northern and southern portions of the railroad?

You could also have the "W" be the central (common) letter and create a cross with the two railroads:

   S

NWP

   P

Unlike the sample above because the the forum software, the vertical spacing of the "SWP" would match the horizontal spacing of the "NWP"

Got another idea but I need to draw it up first.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 10, 2017 7:35 PM

Thanks that's a great idea for the shared equipment. There are six types of equipment on the system the parent roads equipment (NP,WP,SP) and then equipment shared by the NWP and SWP and then just SWP or NWP equipment.

Look forward to seeing your other ideas tstage

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 10, 2017 8:56 PM

How about something like this?

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It suggests a sunset with the color scheme and pattern or the herald, but does not require any complicated painting.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 10, 2017 9:10 PM

Maybe something similar but with the 

          S

   N    W    P

          P

Steven

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by nscalebuilder on Friday, November 10, 2017 9:39 PM

If it was me i would use a compass as my logo with the Initials formed aroud the outer edge.

On Time On Any line would be my Slogan  Ah just a thought!!

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, November 14, 2017 12:14 AM

Maybe I'll do something similar to the onieda western or british columbia railway green schemes.

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 24, 2017 5:21 PM

Here is two prospective logos I just made up.

What do you guys think?

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 24, 2017 6:19 PM

The most important thing is what you think.

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In my oppinion, it is very dangerous to go away from Railroad Roman or Gothic Sans Serif for type styles on any railroads set boefore 1970.

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I use VERY bold Railroad Roman for the STRATTON & GILLETTE lettering, and Gothic Sans Serif for the circular logo lettering on "standard 1950s" SGRR boxcars.

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Using art-deco typestyle like you have chosen looks unusual. It might look great to you now, but will you still be happy with it in 40 years? I am still using the SGRR typestyle and color scheme I chose when I was in high school. It has evolved, but the basics are still there. Back then I could never have been able to afford a four color herald, but times have changed.

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Is your proposal just for locmotives, or is it the herald for boxcars?

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Remind me, what year is your railroad set in.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, November 24, 2017 6:35 PM

My model railroad is set in the transition era 1940-1960.

It was formed via a wartime merger between the SP, WP, and NP.

The merger was agreed to due to a increased efficiency of moving wartime supplies that the three railroads merged into one could deliver.

I like the art deco look of the top one very reminiscent of the 20s or a neon sign.

Well in that case maybe I'll set my railroad in the first half of the 20th century give me more leeway in equipment.

Therefore the merger happened in WW1 not 2. 

Just thinking outloud.

A version of the herald might appear on rolling stock.

Motive power mostly steam, first gen diesels, and a few second gen diesels.

Maybe I could use a similar font and the prototype NWP herald idea.

NWP with a line through it reading NorthWestern Pacific Lines.

Steven

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, November 24, 2017 7:46 PM

OK, if it is a herald, I like the second choice better.

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Can you use Paint to make an example of what the whole car would look like? Since you are modelling the transition era or before, you are really going to need to work to justify a freight car color other than reddish brown. If you go even prior to that, you will have a hard time justifying paint colors other than white or yellow.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Sunday, November 26, 2017 2:59 PM

Here's a herald that looks modern but is on a steamer.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:03 PM

Steven,

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No image came through.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:12 PM

Now I can't post a link!

Google Bona Vista Railroad there's a steamer with a modern looking herald on the tender.

Steven

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Sunday, November 26, 2017 4:26 PM

If the locomotives aren't in that paint style. Have you decided on a style or design for those tenders?

How big is the layout going to be? I designed several different boxcars in four different paint schemes. 1956-1978 all blue with yellow lettering. 1976 blue boxcar with cushion underframe 1978-present brown boxcar with simple logo. 1980s ex Railbox boxcar with stencil markings.

My railway might have at least 6-10 boxcars. Within the 1980s.

Nscalebuilder- the slogan reminds me of Railbox.

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Posted by BMMECNYC on Monday, November 27, 2017 7:22 PM

The prototypes logo looks pretty cool: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwestern_Pacific_Railroad

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Posted by NWP SWP on Monday, December 04, 2017 1:00 PM

Maybe use a font similar to Rayonier Logging.

Like this.

Steven

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:13 PM

I think I'm going to use something similar to the ERIE green livery I really like the look of it...

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Modeling the combined lines of the Southern Pacific, Western Pacific, and Northern Pacific after a fictional Depression Era merger forming the SouthWestern Pacific and NorthWestern Pacific Railroads. SP, WP, and NP operations remain independent but also operate alongside NWP and SWP equipment.

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Posted by Bayfield Transfer Railway on Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:17 PM

When you cook up your livery, don't forget to cook some oniony with it.

(har de har har)

 

Disclaimer:  This post may contain humor, sarcasm, and/or flatulence.

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Posted by FRRYKid on Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:47 PM

SeeYou190

Lettering should be white or yellow on a dark color, or black on white or yellow. Pretty much any other combination will not look right.



I would greatly argue with you on the statement that any other color combitions will not look right. Try this on for size:

That is silver on MEC green. The picture may not be the clearest but one gets the idea. My avatar is the logo I designed as well.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, December 25, 2017 8:23 AM

FRRYKid
I would greatly argue with you on the statement that any other color combitions will not look right. Try this on for size:

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No need to argue. I was greatly simplifying everything for a brief post.

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In herald design, silver is white, and gold is yellow. The rules for silver and gold follow the same for white and silver.

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All the 1,000+ words of detail into the "rules" (including examples and drawings) will be included in the article I am writing. I don't want to write the entire article on the forum.

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Your locomotive scheme looks great. Simple and bold.

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