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Coupler Confusion!

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Posted by NittanyLion on Monday, July 17, 2017 8:45 AM

BRAKIE

 

 
NHTX
Anybody who advises conversion to horn/hook or X2f couplers in today's world does not know what they are talking about! 

 

Unless they have hands on experience with X2F coupler and know they work quite well when correctly body mounted..

I fully understand most modelers experience with X2F  couplers was their cheap train set truck mounted X2F coupler.

 

Yeah, it was the truck mounting that was the reverse problem. They stay very well coupled when backing up because they're practically lower shelf couplers. Very robust locking in both directions of travel, which was why they were so tricky to intentionally uncouple! 

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, July 17, 2017 8:59 AM

With all due respect to them - I went there on occassion when there was one in my area - Hobbytown USA is sort of a "jack of all trades" hobbyshop, with a little of everything. If you check around, you can probably find a more specifically train-oriented hobby shop in your area that will give you better service / advice.

One reason you may be seeing couplers of 'different sizes' is that some companies now provide their equipment with scale-head sized couplers. The Kadee No.5 is a bit oversized compared to real couplers, and Kadee and other companies make ones that are closer to the real size. However, they are all designed to be able to couple to each other, so shouldn't need replacing.

Also, after Kadee's patent expired a while back, a lot of companies began making their own versions of Kadee-type knuckle couplers, so often a freight car you buy will come with a coupler made by the company that made the car rather than 'actual' Kadees. Again, they should work with Kadee or other HO knuckle couplers OK. However, in my experience, the copies made of plastic tend to wear out much faster than metal-headed Kadees will.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, July 17, 2017 9:42 AM

NittanyLion
Very robust locking in both directions of travel, which was why they were so tricky to intentionally uncouple!

Actually a small flat tip jeweler's  screwdriver was one of the best methods for uncoupling the X2F.It worked like today's bamboo skewer for uncoupling KDs..

While  the X2F certainly served its purpose quite well I would never advocate using them since the KD is superior.

Larry

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Posted by RR_Mel on Monday, July 17, 2017 9:48 AM

After all this I would imagine HOTrainmom is more confused now than when she started this thread.
 
My preference is the Kadee #148 because they are easy to install and work great.  My ten year old great grand daughter can install a #148.
 
Here is a link to the instruction PDF for the #148.  Check it out with your son and see what he thinks.
 
 
If you don't have access to a more model railroad oriented hobby shop then you could visit eBay:
 
 
Good luck!  Its great to hear from a Mom interested in keeping her son interested in our hobby!
 
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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, July 17, 2017 8:25 PM

Welcome

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Just buy a couple packs of Kadee #148 couplers. If they work, which they will at least 80% of the time, you are done. If you need a special Kadee coupler, then go and figure it out on their very good website.

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It is pretty simple. Have fun. I hope your son enjoys the hobby for a long time. It has a few frustrations, and a learning curve, but it is the greatest lifetime hobby out there.

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Posted by PRR8259 on Monday, July 17, 2017 9:40 PM

The plastic horn hook couplers always were terrible.  My dad began converting our equipment over to Kadee when I was a kid in the 1970's and we never looked back.  Real genuine Kadee couplers are the way to go, period.

Best wishes to you and your son.

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Posted by NHTX on Monday, July 17, 2017 9:59 PM

    Brakie, my experience with X2f couplers goes back to pre-1960 and as I progressed in the hobby, I knew from my tinplate days that there was something deficient in "talgo" trucks, (remember them?)  As long as you didn't try reverse moves with a fair sized train, you were OK.  Thus all of my Mantua, AHM and others with truck mounted couplers were rapidly converted to body mounts, but still horn-hooks. Their side-thrust issues made realistic switching tortuous in the least.  I began an aggressive conversion to Kadees and have never looked back.  Any car I put into service now gets 153s or 156s with 153s being first choice regardless of what it had when taken out of the box.  I encourage the young man to convert now while his roster is managable because if he does go beyond his current place in the hobby and tries to "operate" with horn-hooks, the frustration might drive him to video games or maybe macrame'.  I speak from experience.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, July 17, 2017 11:12 PM

NHTX
I encourage the young man to convert now while his roster is managable because if he does go beyond his current place in the hobby and tries to "operate" with horn-hooks, the frustration might drive him to video games or maybe macrame'. I speak from experience.

There was operation way back in the 50s and I switched many freight and passenger cars  at the Columbus HO club due to the layout being point to point and every train had to be switched and at home on my ISL.. That's my experience.

Like the KD the X2F had to be correctly mounted and at the proper height. I converted the first time in '68 when the club voted in the KD as the standard coupler..After getting out of the Army in '77 I used X2Fs for about two years.. I traded that small collection for  N Scale in '79 and when I return to HO in '90 I used KDs.

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Tuesday, July 18, 2017 6:08 AM

PRR8259
Real genuine Kadee couplers are the way to go, period.

Walthers Protomax II coupler is another good option since its all metal like KD's #5..In fact you can't tell the two apart and the Protomax II works equally well.

Larry

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Posted by HOTrainmom on Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:21 PM

Thank you, everyone! My son's love for trains started when he was a toddler. He spent HOURS playing with his wooden set. I never would have thought that he'd still love it so much, but it thrills me. This  Harvey came straight from his heart, and now my husband and I are trying to figure out all these details about model trains; so we can  help him keep this passion alive!  We just had no idea there were SO MANY details! Haha

 I appreciate all your responses.  I now know I can come out here to this forum for great answers! Because, I will no doubt have many more questions down the road!

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Posted by jjdamnit on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:05 PM

Hello all,

HOTrainmom
I now know I can come out here to this forum for great answers! Because, I will no doubt have many more questions down the road!

That is a huge compliment to all on these forums!

Thank you.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 6:15 PM

Glad to hear his enthusiasm is real; and that we haven't blown you away with  too many choices.

Welcome

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Posted by NHTX on Wednesday, July 19, 2017 7:06 PM

    HOTrainmom, we're so happy to help and encourage a young man in the enjoyment and enthusiasm for a hobby that will expose him to so many aspects of the world he lives in.  If you haven't done so, consider a gift subscription to Model Railroader magazine.  Each month he will be exposed to new skills and problem-solving that will serve him well in later life.  Happy model railroading!

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