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Replacing a Hodges trailing truck with a Delta type

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Replacing a Hodges trailing truck with a Delta type
Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:41 PM

I've noticed that when model manufactures/importers like BLI, Bachmann, etc introduce a new steam locomotive, they will often refer to builders photographs, blue prints and drawings of an "as built" locomotive to base their model on.  And then offer that locomotive, in it's USRA configuration, lettered for a dozen or more roads.  I can see this keeps production costs down. 

Many of us can now take this locomotive and use it as a good starting point, to bash and detail into an engine closer resembling a prototype of our own choosing.

I have a Broadway Limited Heavy Mikado which BLI has modeled with a Hodges trailing truck.  I would like to replace the Hodges with a Delta type.  Have any of you tried this swap (with a BLI USRA Mikado) before?  How successfull were you?  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Posted by garya on Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:19 PM

JOHN C TARANTO

I've noticed that when model manufactures/importers like BLI, Bachmann, etc introduce a new steam locomotive, they will often refer to builders photographs, blue prints and drawings of an "as built" locomotive to base their model on.  And then offer that locomotive, in it's USRA configuration, lettered for a dozen or more roads.  I can see this keeps production costs down. 

Many of us can now take this locomotive and use it as a good starting point, to bash and detail into an engine closer resembling a prototype of our own choosing.

I have a Broadway Limited Heavy Mikado which BLI has modeled with a Hodges trailing truck.  I would like to replace the Hodges with a Delta type.  Have any of you tried this swap (with a BLI USRA Mikado) before?  How successfull were you?  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I would like to do the same thing--I have a BLI Powerhouse Heavy Mikado that has a Hodges trailing truck, but the Frisco used Delta trailing trucks.  It also needs a doghouse, but that's another issue.  Someone years ago told me to try and get the truck from a different BLI model, but I can't remember what it was.  I bought a Precision scale Delta truck, but that was too big.

I also have an Athearn Genesis Mikado, and the Delta truck from the Athearn Genesis Pacific will fit.  I asked Athearn if I could buy one and they just sent me one for free (this was several years ago). 

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Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:08 PM

I have wondered if a Delta truck from a BLI K4s, L1s or M1a would fit.  Being BLI models...

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Posted by 7j43k on Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:22 PM

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I have wondered if a Delta truck from a BLI K4s, L1s or M1a would fit.  Being BLI models...

 

 

Since the Pennsy did everything their own way, I suspect that the trailing truck on these locomotives was not truly a Delta, but a Pennsy special creation.

If that matters.

 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:23 PM

John, I have installed Delta trailing trucks on two BLI USRA Mikes. Pretty sure I used the Delta trailing truck that came on the Athearn USRA light Pacific several decades ago.

I will take a look, and a few pictures, might take a day or two.

The PRR truck is not really a Delta, it is PRR's own design, and in real life does not actually work like a Delta, even though it looks similar.

Bachmann may still have USRA 2-10-2 Delta trucks for sale. I have those as well and will look to see if that can also be a good swap.

More later,

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, June 21, 2017 1:31 AM

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I have wondered if a Delta truck from a BLI K4s, L1s or M1a would fit.  Being BLI models...

 
Sometimes you have to modify the part and other times the locomotive itself, just to get things to fit.
I have a Bachmann USRA 2-6-6-2 that had an unusually wide-looking trailing truck.  I'm uncertain as to what prototype it was intended to represent, but I had a plastic Delta trailing truck, of unknown origin, in my supply of locomotive stuff, and thought that it would look better.
 
Because I planned on adding a few details to the area under the cab, I had to create a new mounting point on the rear of the rear engine's frame, in order that the new truck would clear those details on curves.  A hole drilled in the frame and a piece of brass tubing did the trick...
 
 
 
Here it is installed, but with those details not yet in place...
 
 
 
Here are the added details, ash hoppers and a simulated frame extension...
 
 
...and with the trailing truck installed...
 
 
I added some lead to the truck's frame, and later installed a spring at the truck's mounting point to improve tracking.  The truck also had to clear the cab's skirting...
 
 
I also decided to change the inside-bearing lead truck to an outside bearing-type, and used one from a Bachmann Berkshire.  Because I had to use the original mounting point on the locomotive, the rear of new truck's frame needed to be extended in order to prevent the
truck from striking the cylinders when the locomotive entered a curve.  I used sheet brass and brass tubing, along with some JB Weld, to lengthen the truck and creat a new mounting point...
 
 
A couple of in-service photos...
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted by garya on Wednesday, June 21, 2017 12:52 PM

I found the email--the Delta from a BLI ATSF 2-10-2 was recommended.  I have no idea if/how it fits, or even if it's available.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:52 PM

Yes, I used the Athearn 4-6-2 Delta on my two BLI Mikes, with only minor modifications. I will try to get some pictures tomorrow.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Monday, July 10, 2017 8:37 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL

Yes, I used the Athearn 4-6-2 Delta on my two BLI Mikes, with only minor modifications. I will try to get some pictures tomorrow.

Sheldon

 

Sorry this took so long:

BLI heavy Mike with Delta trailing truck and Bachmann long haul tender

The pin on the frame of the BLI mike was removed, and the forward mounting of the truck modified slightly.

Again, the truck was from a Genesis Pacific.

Still need to get this in the paint shop........

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Posted by doctorwayne on Monday, July 10, 2017 10:43 PM

Precision Scale offers a Delta trailing truck in brass, and, if your loco needs one, also a casting for a booster engine to fit that truck.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:58 AM

doctorwayne

Precision Scale offers a Delta trailing truck in brass, and, if your loco needs one, also a casting for a booster engine to fit that truck.

Wayne

 

That's what I used here:

Bachmann 2-8-4 converted to heavy Mikado, much like these:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dti/dti-s805ggC.jpg

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Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 8:50 AM

Sheldon, thank you for your reply and the photos.  The Athearn truck looks good with your BLI.  Now the trick is finding one.  I took a look at Athearn's website and no trailing trucks, or any parts for steam, are listed.  I will try contacting them.  It has also been suggested that the Delta from a BLI ATSF 2-10-2 would work.  I may try that option as well.  Thanks again for all your help.

 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, July 11, 2017 7:25 PM

John, when I got a few of these years ago I had to call and talk to a person, it was not listed in any of their parts lists.

How many do you need? I may have a spare.

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Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:07 PM

PROJECT UPDATE

The photos below show how I was able to replace the Hodges type trailing truck on my BLI Heavy Mikado with a Delta type from an Athearn pacific.

Other changes to this locomotive include:

Removal of the "boiler tube" road pilot, replacing it with foot boards.

Removal of the single air pump from the fireman's side of the boiler and installing twin pumps behind shielding on the pilot deck.

Removal of the generator from on top of the smoke box and adding a generator with bracket to the engineer's side of the boiler near the cab.

Replacement of the short USRA 8-wheel tender with a larger 12-wheel tender (Rivarossi NKP/C&O type).

My thanks to Sheldon and the other members of this forum for your assistance. 

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Posted by garya on Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:37 PM

JOHN C TARANTO

PROJECT UPDATE

The photos below are show how I was able to replace the Hodges type trailing truck on my BLI Heavy Mikado with a Delta type from an Athearn pacific.

Other changes to this locomotive include:

Removal of the "boiler tube" road pilot, replacing it with foot boards.

Removal of the single air pump from the fireman's side of the boiler and installing twin pumps behind shielding on the pilot deck.

Removal of the generator from on top of the smoke box and adding a generator with bracket to the engineer's side of the boiler near the cab.

Replacement of the short USRA 8-wheel tender with a larger 12-wheel tender (Rivarossi NKP/C&O type).

My thanks to Sheldon and the other members of this forum for your assistance. 

 

I can't see ay photos Sad

Were you able to get a truck from Athearn? 

 

EDIT: I can see them now.  Yes

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Posted by JOHN C TARANTO on Sunday, August 20, 2017 6:42 PM

Every photo that I have posted has disappeared.  Apparently trainboard.com website (where my photos are stored) is down.  Hopefully, when the site is back up the photos will be restored.  Please check back later.

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