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Walthers George Washington
Posted by BigDaddy on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:04 PM

I found out about this on a Walthers Youtube video (no pics of it there)  This is my second time around in the hobby and I did not know they had Name Train line.  The latest is the C&O George Washington.

For those that are interested, brace yourself for a little sticker shock.  The whole package of 7 passenger cars and an E8-A-A set will set you back $1,300

https://www.walthers.com/products/name-trains/george-washington/

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:21 PM

Well, $1100 if you forego the little people inside the cars and car lighting.

If yer train runs in the daytime, you won't be needing interior lights, now will you?

 It'll be a nice looking train either way, I do say.

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:34 PM

And—

Walthers is using Loksound Decoders in the locomotives Yes

Matching E8A diesels are the perfect power
Based on Class PE-225 units delivered in 1953 and in service to the late 1960s, models are available for the first time with ESU LokSound Select sound for DCC & DC layouts. Units are superbly detailed to match C&O.

I bought many of the Capitol Limited and second-run Broadway cars in the "De Luxe" version. MB Klein had them at a very reasonable, in my mind anyway, cost.

With Preiser figures going for $18 - $25 a set, plus the light kits already installed, AND I didn't have to pry the roof off, it was worth it for me.

If I decide to, I can open them later to either add more little folks or add a little color to the walls and seats.

http://www.american-rails.com/george-washington.html

I would be interested in the RPO and the obs. I DO hope Walthers re-thinks the end diaphragm and uses one a little more detailed and closer to scale rather than the huge, black monolith as the photo shows.

Walthers Photo

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Posted by caldreamer on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:39 PM

That price is out of this world.  WHAT KIND OF FUNNY WEED ARE THEY SMOKING at Walthers????

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:52 PM

caldreamer
That price is out of this world.

There's a separate thread about This Hobby Is So Expensive!

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/245773.aspx

 

 

[edit] Oops, sorry, it's locked...

If you buy through some of the dealers there is a considerable discount available. I have used Overland Hobbies or MB Klein and found the "Street Price" a little more bearable.

If you want to gamble, Walthers will place overstock in their "Sale Flyer" and you can save even more. I recently bought many of the Capitol Limited cars and locomotives at less than half of the original list price.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, May 18, 2017 3:49 AM

I didn't mean to start a "this is too expensive thread".  You can find Penn Line passenger cars on Ebay that have passenger silhouttes in the windows for far less money.  That level of realism didn't float my boat 40 years ago, but I still have 2 of those cars.

Obviously they think they will sell at that price.  I can't think of much that has come down in price in the last 40 years except Detroit real estate.

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:08 AM

BigDaddy
I can't think of much that has come down in price in the last 40 years except Detroit real estate.

Besides Detroit real estate taking a nose dive, I went down from weekly paycheck to monthly retirement check.Sigh

Not that I miss work..I don't miss it at all.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:42 AM

caldreamer

That price is out of this world.  WHAT KIND OF FUNNY WEED ARE THEY SMOKING at Walthers????

Probably the same kind that causes me to buy those sweet Moloco box cars at $53 ea.

And, here we go again with the hobby is so expensive stuff. 

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Posted by Doughless on Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:48 AM

My guess is that people have accumulated $1,300 on passenger trains they don't really need, so $1,300 for a train they may really want might not be a bad deal relative to how much they have already spent on their collection.  

So when a passenger train comes along that would fit their wants perfectly, buy it and sell what is now surplus on the secondary market to bring the cost down.

Its only expensive, on a net basis, if people just buy new things then hoard them, never churning their collection with the goal of upgrading.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:54 AM

riogrande5761
And, here we go again with the hobby is so expensive stuff.

That's becoming a new forum standard on several forums.

A $53.00 boxcar..Think that could be one of the many causes for the uproar?

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:07 AM

Doughless

My guess is that people have accumulated $1,300 on passenger trains they don't really need, so $1,300 for a train they may really want might not be a bad deal relative to how much they have already spent on their collection.  

So when a passenger train comes along that would fit their wants perfectly, buy it and sell what is now surplus on the secondary market to bring the cost down.

Its only expensive, on a net basis, if people just buy new things then hoard them, never churning their collection with the goal of upgrading.

 

That's an interesting view and it seems lots of folks feel that way. Not something I have ever done or will ever do.

I have no problem with current prices, they reflect currect values/features and cost to produce (contrary to what some believe).

But I'm not buying for other reasons:

Already have a nice set of Proto E8's in C&O

Don't need/want or use DCC or sound

Already have a nice consist of Concor C&O streamlined cars, upgraded with working/touching Americal Limited Diaphragms and body mount couplers. And the heavyweight head end cars from Athearn......

OK, not as prototypically correct, but the visual flavor is there. And again, they look better on curves and look better to my eye close coupled.

So I simply don't need or want another set - at any price - I already have something close enough that I have time and money invested in.

And I have been enjoying mine for two decades now.......... 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:09 AM

BRAKIE

 

 
riogrande5761
And, here we go again with the hobby is so expensive stuff.

 

That's becoming a new forum standard on several forums.

A $53.00 boxcar..Think that could be one of the many causes for the uproar?

 

I contrast to my last post about a C&O passenger train, I just bought some $50 B&O wagon top covered hoppers rom Spring Mills Depot.........

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:16 AM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL
I contrast to my last post about a C&O passenger train, I just bought some $50 B&O wagon top covered hoppers rom Spring Mills Depot......... Sheldon

I have several high dollars cars from Atlas,Intermountain,Red Caboose,Exact Rail and Fox Valley.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:30 AM

I have about the same collection of cars as Larry.  I'm thinking I'm going to have to "shell out", as the saying goes, to add to my tank car fleet.

I did check out Moloco, after Jim mentioned their name in here, on another thread, and they look great! just too old for my time period.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:28 AM

mbinsewi
I'm thinking I'm going to have to "shell out", as the saying goes, to add to my tank car fleet.

I'm leaning toward a "sell out" of a lot of  older cars including my IPD boxcar collection. I been considering selling my old freight cars to a train show dealer.

But...

I really hate to sell my IPD boxcar collection because those cars took several years to collect especially my Berlin Mills Railway boxcar at the price I was willing to pay..

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Posted by Steven Otte on Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:44 AM

gmpullman

 

caldreamer
That price is out of this world.

 

There's a separate thread about This Hobby Is So Expensive!

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/245773.aspx

 

 

[edit] Oops, sorry, it's locked...

 

I can always start another one. Wink

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:56 AM

I have never been temped to sell anything, but then again I have never changed era, scale, roads modeled, locale modeled, layout theme.......

And I only buy what fits my layout era and theme........

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Posted by fieryturbo on Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:13 AM

This would be a centerpiece to a layout.  Everything will probably be able to be had for 25% off list if not more once MBK gets its hands on some.

If this is your era, I'm sure this is worth it.

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Posted by Doughless on Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:19 AM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL

 

 
Doughless

My guess is that people have accumulated $1,300 on passenger trains they don't really need, so $1,300 for a train they may really want might not be a bad deal relative to how much they have already spent on their collection.  

So when a passenger train comes along that would fit their wants perfectly, buy it and sell what is now surplus on the secondary market to bring the cost down.

Its only expensive, on a net basis, if people just buy new things then hoard them, never churning their collection with the goal of upgrading.

 

 

 

That's an interesting view and it seems lots of folks feel that way. Not something I have ever done or will ever do.

I have no problem with current prices, they reflect currect values/features and cost to produce (contrary to what some believe).

But I'm not buying for other reasons:

Already have a nice set of Proto E8's in C&O

Don't need/want or use DCC or sound

Already have a nice consist of Concor C&O streamlined cars, upgraded with working/touching Americal Limited Diaphragms and body mount couplers. And the heavyweight head end cars from Athearn......

OK, not as prototypically correct, but the visual flavor is there. And again, they look better on curves and look better to my eye close coupled.

So I simply don't need or want another set - at any price - I already have something close enough that I have time and money invested in.

And I have been enjoying mine for two decades now.......... 

Sheldon

 

Agreed.  Accumulating a variety of models with the goal being to fill out a roster with the best balance is a very sensible way to approach the hobby.  I model a shortline, so needing fewer pieces to accomplish my goal allows me to churn my stock affordably if I want to upgrade.  Mostly I've been churning lately is because I've relocated and my interests have changed more from grain hoppers and Conrail equipment to woodchip hoppers and corn syrup tank cars, so selling the older grain hoppers to fund the purchase of new corn syrup tank cars helps to offset the $33 MSRP for each tank car.

I know nothing about passenger trains, definitely nothing about the specifc train being produced and if it has been produced in the past, but if someone has assembled a previous version that may be of lesser "quality" (fewer features mainly), I could see where a well executed fully-loaded model could be enticing.  The option to sell his current train on the secondary market helps to bring the cost down and also helps Walthers to sell more new units at a higher price.  

As stated by many, there are different ways to approach the hobby. I think that adapting to market conditions works better than complaining about prices.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:31 AM

Agreed, but I am content with what I have......and never complain about prices.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:39 AM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL
And I only buy what fits my layout era and theme........ Sheldon

As do I but,I model 77/78 and 94/95. For me that the best approach since I can have (77/78) Southern,Family Lines SCL Chessie C&O and B&O along with my IHB and BRC. 80% of my cars fit that era.

In 94/95 I have CR,CSX,Ohio Central,IHB,BRC 20% of my cars fit that era plus I can use some road names from 77/78.

As a odd ball I have Seaboard System GP38-2 only because I thought SS had a snappy paint scheme.

Add my Huron River,Summerset Ry,Slate Creek Rail to either one of my modeled eras.

Years ago I was pretty strict on modeling a certain era and never bought anything that I couldn't use..

What happen?

Glad you asked.I always wanted the above named road names so,I decided to go ahead and buy those engines and enjoy them in my retirement. I already had Chessie(C&O) and C&O engines plus two B&O Geeps.

 I am content with those two eras.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:19 AM

BRAKIE


 

A $53.00 boxcar..Think that could be one of the many causes for the uproar?

So far I have never seen anyone complain about the Moloco box cars.  I'm up to around 11 or 12 now over the past 3 or 4 years, but if they fit your era, the are really NICE!

mbinsewi

I did check out Moloco, after Jim mentioned their name in here, on another thread, and they look great! just too old for my time period.

Mike.

What is your time period?  Moloco had decorated box cars ranging from the early 1960s to 1988/89 repaints of ATSF box cars, which I would hazard were running past 2000.

There are also some early 1980's repaints.  Lombards still has the 1982 ATSF repaint and Moloco has a 1982 N&W repaint.

So not all are 1960's models or even 1970's.  Just sayin!

I just couldn't resist this ATSF 1978 repaint:

and because I'm modeling laste 1970's figured I needed one of these PC cars - whose sold out in a couple of days.

[img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1032/8967/products/wpc360030.3.4rtr_1024x1024.jpg[img]

 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:48 AM

I will happily pay $50 or more each to ADD a few high detail RTR cars to my roster.

But even if suitable better replacements existed for my whole fleet of older, less detailed cars, I would never consider removing/selling off/replacing the existeng fleet.

Moloco, nothing in my era........

This is more my era, I have these:

http://www.springmillsdepot.com/index.htm

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Posted by PRR8259 on Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:08 PM

My perspective is entirely different.

The Walthers Name Trains series is CHEAP.

I would like to own the ACL/PRR/B&M etc. "East Wind".  It only exists in brass.  Plastic "models" of the train are nearly cartoonish at best.  A complete train, for this relatively short passenger train, is available on the market, factory painted, brand new, at $4000 or more.

To me, Walthers cars look very nearly, reasonably as good as some of the brass trains out there, and are a relative bargain, even fully loaded with sound and people.

My 2c.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:19 PM

PRR8259

My perspective is entirely different.

The Walthers Name Trains series is CHEAP.

I would like to own the ACL/PRR/B&M etc. "East Wind".  It only exists in brass.  Plastic "models" of the train are nearly cartoonish at best.  A complete train, for this relatively short passenger train, is available on the market, factory painted, brand new, at $4000 or more.

To me, Walthers cars look very nearly, reasonably as good as some of the brass trains out there, and are a relative bargain, even fully loaded with sound and people.

My 2c.

John

 

Agreed, adjust that price backwards to 1970, about $200.

Nine AHM pasenger cars and two AHM E8's would have cost about that, $200.

But I'm still not buyjng a set. My $500 1990's Concor/Athearn/Proto version is just fine.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:32 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL
But even if suitable better replacements existed for my whole fleet of older, less detailed cars, I would never consider removing/selling off/replacing the existeng fleet.

Sheldon,Some times its refreshing to start anew with different goals.. Some times I've thought about selling lock, stock and barrel and starting new in On30 or maybe HOn3. A United Class B two truck Shay with a finishing and veneer mill switching layout sounds interesting.

If I did sell lock,stock and barrel it won't be the first time.

Larry

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:34 PM

BRAKIE

 

 
ATLANTIC CENTRAL
But even if suitable better replacements existed for my whole fleet of older, less detailed cars, I would never consider removing/selling off/replacing the existeng fleet.

 

Sheldon,Some times its refreshing to start anew with different goals.. Some times I've thought about selling lock, stock and barrel and starting new in On30 or maybe HOn3. A United Class B two truck Shay with a finishing and veneer mill switching layout sounds interesting.

If I did sell lock,stock and barrel it won't be the first time.

 

To each their own.......

    

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:12 PM

BRAKIE

 

 
ATLANTIC CENTRAL
But even if suitable better replacements existed for my whole fleet of older, less detailed cars, I would never consider removing/selling off/replacing the existeng fleet.

 

Sheldon,Some times its refreshing to start anew with different goals.. Some times I've thought about selling lock, stock and barrel and starting new in On30 or maybe HOn3. A United Class B two truck Shay with a finishing and veneer mill switching layout sounds interesting.

If I did sell lock,stock and barrel it won't be the first time.

 

I started in HO, switched to O, and then to S.  Along the way I've dabbled in Sn2 and On30 as well as 3 rail O gauge.  I never sell anything.  Even though I have more than enough stuff in S scale, I still buy things at train shows in all 3 scales as they appeal to me - mostly older kits, but some new stuff as well.

At some point I decided that I enjoy collecting as well as building and operating. 

This is a hobby, do what's fun.

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:35 AM

 Sometimes it takes a little perspective. How often do you buy the entire train, locos and all cars? Most, I'd wager, tend to aquire equipment over time - a loco here, a car there, until they have what they need. And don't remember (or don't want to know!) how much the total cost was.

 And also remember this is the list price. The only people who will pay that are those who order direct. This too has been discussed ad-naseum. Even my "everything marked at list price" LHS doesn't sell the Walthers Proto locos for their $400 list price. This set is not available anywhere else, except brass, if you want the proper pieces and not just stand-ins. You'd pay $1300 just for the locos in brass.

 Like the other name train sets, this one is quite nice. I'm not a collector, so I have no use for this one either, and there is 0 chance of Walthers doing the only name train that would fit my layout (plus it's already been done by others). If I were modeling the part of one of the railroads that they've done a name train for, I'd more than likely have it. There are all types in the hobby, I'm sure there are people who have each of the previous Walthers set, just like there are people who buy every Micro Trains car not because they run a completely mixed up set of freight cars that in some cases didn't even exist at the same time, but because they like to collect things.

 Interesting to see Walthers switching to Loksound too. Who's left using something else? Bachmann? I wonder if Athearn is going to completely switch or they are doing a one-time thing.

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Posted by ROBERT PETRICK on Saturday, May 20, 2017 10:00 AM

BRAKIE

Some times its refreshing to start anew with different goals.. Some times I've thought about selling lock, stock and barrel and starting new in On30 or maybe HOn3. A United Class B two truck Shay with a finishing and veneer mill switching layout sounds interesting.

If I did sell lock,stock and barrel it won't be the first time.

That's good, Larry. It's not a retreat, you're just attacking in the other direction.

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