Hello! I'm brand new in the modernization section of model railroading, but I have a particular intrest in remotoring some old locomotives. I have two Rivarossi's, one being a 1966 S-1 2-10-2 Oil burner, and the other being a 1972 4-6-4 streamlined hudson. The Hudson is not wired but the motor will run (funky as it may be) and the S-1's motor is shorting out. I have double and triple checked all of the wiring in the locomotive to make sure there are no loose wires or that they are soldered in the wrong place. My belief is that the motor locks up and causes direct electrical flow between positive and negative rails. I'm also wanting to remotor the S-1 because the old 'can' motor pushes on the boiler cover and leaves a gap between the parts. Any advice would be helpful as well as recomendations for motors and modifications.
Thanks!
Northwest Short Line (NWSL) used to have a large amount of Sagami motors and gears, etc that were very helpful to projects like yours. Some of this stock is still out in bins and shelves. One problem with giving advice on any Rivarossi products is that they went through multiple revisions of each model without changing the pacakging, etc. So a lot of this work will be seeing what fits your model
Thanks for the Information! I will see if I can find an EN-22 motor. I know the DN-22 is pretty common around here but it has a much higher RPM than the EN-22. According to a few sites i've seen the square Riv motors hover at around 8000RPM running speed. I have no idea about the can motors but I will look into it. If I do get an EN-22, I assume I would need modifications to the locomotive to fit the motor? If so, I would need some advice on that too. Not very experienced in remotoring locomotives. I've done a few but they were with replacement factory motors. Thanks for the Info!
According to their website, the DN-26 Series Type L Long Power, has the highest RPM rate of the DN-26 series, though it tops at 5400 RPM. I've also never heard of an EN-26 motor. I guess it could exist but the Canon website does not mention it.
Any of you guys use a Kato 31-500 HM 5 motor in any of your steam repowers?
I might give this one a whirl for a cab to boiler motor conversion in my Big Boy.
RR_Mel There are several DN-22 motors on eBay today. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=dn22&_sacat=0 According to the Canon site the DN torque is just a hair less than the EN series. Should work great. Mel Modeling the early to mid 1950s SP in HO scale since 1951 My Model Railroad http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/ Bakersfield, California I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.
If you read the description on some of those DN-22s, it states voltage range 3v-24v, 12v nominal. I suspect those may be 24v motors as well, and may also be gutless at 12v.
Gary
garya If you read the description on some of those DN-22s, it states voltage range 3v-24v, 12v nominal. I suspect those may be 24v motors as well, and may also be gutless at 12v.
RR_Mel I guess the bottom line is gambling expecting the worst for a cheapie or go with the higher priced known correct motors. I’ve got a box full of 24 volt DN26 motors. Edit: One of my best finds on eBay was EN22 motors about 8 years ago, $1.98 each with $3 shipping from the States, I bought 20, should have bought 40. All 20 worked great!
I tried a DN22 I found on eBay; my Big Boy runs very slow. I ohmed out the windings and it came out around 60 ohms; the motor starts moving around 3.4 vdc.
I found these EN22 (5 pole version of the motor; DN22 is 3 pole), and they ohm out at about 9 ohms and the motor starts moving at about .5 vdc. I'm going to try it in my Big Boy.
garya I tried a DN22 I found on eBay; my Big Boy runs very slow. I ohmed out the windings and it came out around 60 ohms; the motor starts moving around 3.4 vdc. I found these EN22 (5 pole version of the motor; DN22 is 3 pole), and they ohm out at about 9 ohms and the motor starts moving at about .5 vdc. I'm going to try it in my Big Boy.
I have recently purchased a DN-22 for my big boy as well. the motor isnt installed yet but testing the drive gear on an open stand allowed me to veiw the performance. For me the DN-22 appeared to run great and was much better than the old square motor. If your having trouble running the DN-22, try examining the gear boxes. I know for my locomotive that the old grease caused the gears to lock up and run poorly. After the gears were cleaned and re-greased, they rain just fine. I have no idea the condition of your big boy but its worth a shot.
I ordered a few of the EN22 motors so will see if they will work It sounds like they will be fine from what mel says . Was looking thru some boxes and found some new still in package kato HM-5 motors might try one of these have 8 of them so time for them to go to work
mikeGTW I ordered a few of the EN22 motors so will see if they will work It sounds like they will be fine from what mel says . Was looking thru some boxes and found some new still in package kato HM-5 motors might try one of these have 8 of them so time for them to go to work
I believe that the HM-5 is a decent motor, especially for diesel remotors. based on the information i've seen, they are good runners and are most commonly used in KATO's hood diesels; though I don't know much more than that because I dont run any. I do know that they are reccomended for most jobs, so I assume its used a lot.
I only have one Kato, but its one of the smoothest running engines I have.
I see similar findings with other club members.
I asked about the HM 5 earlier in the thread and its a gauranteed version, no 12v or 24v to worry about :-)
I've switched my thinking now and am going with an EN-22 12V motor. It has a better torque rating and runs faster. This will allow my locomotive to hual frieght much better and be able to have better slow speed performance because of the 5-pole motor. Thank you for all the help on the locomotive. I will try to get a video of it running posted. I will also post pictures of the remotor for those who also need assistance in remotoring a big boy.
Thanks Much!