I am new to this so I appreaciate your advice. I have a bachmann 2019 like the item below, it lights up motor hums but doesn't move at all. The screws to the boiler are rusted and hard to remove, what's the best way to make it work? thanks!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Old-Vintage-Bachmann-Hong-Kong-2-8-0-Steam-Loco-Tender-READING-2019-I-10sa-/311708646586?hash=item4893487cba:g:p6wAAOSw4shX7FBA
Made the link clickable.
You will have to take it apart to figure out the problem so the first task is to remove the screws. Obviously you don't want to strip the heads so I would suggest either using some penetrating oil and letting them sit for a couple of days, or put the screwdriver into the screw and give the end of the handle a sharp whack with a hammer. Penetrating oil is safer but you have to be patient.
If you don't have any penetrating oil you might consider getting a set of Nano Oil lubricants. You can buy a set of three grades, #5 is the penetrating oil, #10 is for bearings and #85 is for gears. It is excellent stuff! Worth every penny!!
http://nano-oil.com/
Once you have the motor out you can test it. If it won't turn then you could rebuild it but a much better choice would be to replace it with a can motor. NWSL (North West Short Line) offers motors and gears.
http://www.nwsl.com/uploads/chap2_web_09-15.pdf
If it does run then put a tiny bit of light oil (or Nano #10) on the bearings. Clean the commutator bars (where the brushes touch) with a pencil eraser but do not lubricate them.
If the motor runs then the problem is in the drive system. Start by examining each of the connecting rods to see if any are bent and binding. Also look at the bolts that hold the connecting rods to the wheels to see if any have come loose. The connecting rods might be hitting the bolts.
It is quite possible that the driving wheels are "out of quarter". The connecting rod bolts on the wheels have to be 1/4 turn off from one side to the other. You should be able to tell if that is the problem by pushing the locomotive on its wheels with the motor removed. If it will roll an inch or two in either direction but then seizes up the driver wheels are likely out of quarter. I'm not very up on how to correct the problem so I will defer to others to explain the process. When the wheels are properly quartered you should be able to push the chassis back and forth and everything should move without any resistance at all. Again, the motor has to be removed from the chassis to do this.
Hopefully you can solve the problem. Don't hesitate to ask more question.
Good luck,
Dave
I'm just a dude with a bad back having a lot of fun with model trains, and finally building a layout!
If the 2-8-0 is the version I'm thinking of, this diagram may help with the disassembly: http://hoseeker.net/assemblyexplosionbachmann/bachmann280consoliddiagram1990.jpg
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Hi Darth:
I'm getting a "403 Permission Denied" response to your link. If you are linking to HOSeeker that is the second time tonight that I have had that response for the HOSeeker site. I tried turning off AdBlock but it didn't make any difference.
Regards,
It's a loco that was modestly endowed and low priced to begin with, now it's rusty and inoperable. Hard to say what is wrong until you can get inside, so soaking the screws in penetrating oil is a priority to get inside. But I would start there and not sweat it too much if you can't get this one working. There's plenty of cheap used locos that are in better shape.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL
Mike:
If nothing else, it will be a good learning experience for the OP.
Dave,
I agree, didn't want to discourage that, just wanted to limit the frustration level by pointing out that unless this specific example has sentimental value, getting another example that's in decent shape is something to consider. I hate working on rusty cars for the same reason. Mechanicking can be challenging enough, but doing it with "rust in your eye" is a pain.
hon30critterI'm getting a "403 Permission Denied" response to your link. If you are linking to HOSeeker that is the second time tonight that I have had that response for the HOSeeker site.
Dave it might be a cookie thing. Edit, must not be cookies because 2 days later, permission denied. If you go to their homepage, click on literature, Bachmann, Steam Diagrams, 2-8-0 Coni 1990 you can see that page, and then the link also works too.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
Not worth fixing for the most part, this was from their cheap line.
rrebell Not worth fixing for the most part, this was from their cheap line.
IIRC it may have that "pancake" motor that wasn't all that great according to some. I only knew one person that has the engine in question and he likes them.He's a what I call a "casual" that not all that serious about the hobby. I will admit he has a nice looking 4x8 layout.
Larry
Conductor.
Summerset Ry.
"Stay Alert, Don't get hurt Safety First!"
Those locomotives do have a pancake-style motor, but weren't bad runners considering that. I have one which actually survived a 5' drop to the floor. It still runs well-enough that I may put a shell from their later Spectrum 2-8-0 on it, so it fits in better with those locos, of which I have several.I can't see that the rusted screws would make it too difficult to take apart: the screws are steel, but they're not screwed into steel. Rather, they're screwed into plastic or the white metal weight which surrounds the motor. If you use penetrating oil, do so sparingly, as it may affect the plastic. Sometimes, tightening a screw or bolt very sparingly will break the bond formed by the rust.
Wayne
Silly trick: You can use Coca-Cola to loosen rusty screws and bolts. Any carbonated soda beverage will do. The mild acid of the drink reacts with the rust.
Yes, you should do this. It's good practice, and a learning experience. And, there is a great deal of satisfaction in restoring old locomotives to life if you can.
It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse.
I am guessing it is a early 1990's model. Motors and gears known to be an issue but check the drive rods very carefully. You might find motors on ebay if you want a challenge.
From what I recall, there is a screw between the cylinders and a screw in front of the tender drawbar screw under the cab to remove.
You can click on the Ask the Bach Man and join and ask. Many users in the forums and a forum for HO scale.
http://www.hoseeker.net/assemblyexplosionbachmann/bachmann280consoliddiagram1990.jpg
Below is an option.
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/service.php
I had an old two motor 44 tonner that cracked gears. Sent a check in with the loco and received a single motor 44 ton. Newer design.
Rich
If you ever fall over in public, pick yourself up and say “sorry it’s been a while since I inhabited a body.” And just walk away.
hon30critterI'm getting a "403 Permission Denied" response to your link. If you are linking to HOSeeker that is the second time tonight that I have had that response for the HOSeeker site. I tried turning off AdBlock but it didn't make any difference
It's working fine for me, so I'm not sure what's wrong.
Darth Santa Fe hon30critter I'm getting a "403 Permission Denied" response to your link. If you are linking to HOSeeker that is the second time tonight that I have had that response for the HOSeeker site. I tried turning off AdBlock but it didn't make any difference It's working fine for me, so I'm not sure what's wrong.
hon30critter I'm getting a "403 Permission Denied" response to your link. If you are linking to HOSeeker that is the second time tonight that I have had that response for the HOSeeker site. I tried turning off AdBlock but it didn't make any difference
I get the same thing. They seem to have some sort of hot linking protection in place. I can get to the page if I go through their menu system but not directly. I'm not sure exactly how they are doing it, but it seems to be more than a simple cookie.
I believe Bowser used to make a replacement drive mechanism for the Bachmann Reading I-10s 2-8-0. While no longer available from them you might keep watching on feebay for one.
Roger Huber
Try this one. No idea what happened.
Edit.
I went back and checked the link and it works now.
Hi Rich:
Still not working for me. Oh well, not to worry.
hon30critter Hi Rich: Still not working for me. Oh well, not to worry. Dave
I just clicked on that link and you are correct, does not work.
I went to the HO Seeker site, clicked on the link there.
I came back here and clicked on the link and it works.
Go figure.
I cam back because someone in the MRH forums post a link and does not work.
Same permission denied.
Well it dies again.
If anyone is really interetsed, go to the HO Seekr site and look in LIterature, Bachmann Steam and select the 2-8-0 1990.
http://www.hoseeker.net/
There are several of the Bachmann Reading 2-8-0 and 2-8-2 engines on feebay right now. They range $18-75 at this time. Just seach in HO for BACHMANN READING 2-8-0 and it should pull up several.
At the cost it might just pay to buy a new one rather than try to make the old one a runner again.
hon30critterIf you don't have any penetrating oil you might consider getting a set of Nano Oil lubricants. You can buy a set of three grades, #5 is the penetrating oil, #10 is for bearings and #85 is for gears. It is excellent stuff! Worth every penny!! http://nano-oil.com/
WARNING:
I have just learned that Nano Oil will destroy plastics.
Please read this:
http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/261415.aspx