How many have 400.00 ready to go

[Anonymous]

How many of you are going to pay 400 bucks to get the MTH HO K4.
I am editing this as I am not troling but just very curious as to the MTH following in HO land. Dave.

[tatans]

Obviously a lot of people, but I'm not so sure they are willing to admit it. just ask the bra$$ guys.

[camarokid]

Not me. I have enough steamers and diesels to last me until my last day. Except for a UP Challenger and an SP Cab Forward my roster is full. I don't believe from all that I've been reading about Lionel and MTH lately that I would buy anything from MTH.

[cacole]

Not me -- not now or ever. considering the way MTH has been treating the DCC world with their threats of lawsuits. A big drawback is that MTH products require the MTH control system because they do not conform to the NMRA DCC standards and recommended practices -- it's a proprietary system. I have seen other posts indicating that MTH is more like tinplate and does not have the amount of detail you can get with other brands.

[Anonymous]

I don't even have $4 ready to go... [xx(]

1: I am poor

2: I hate MTH

3: I am an N scaler mostly, so their K4 wouldn't do much for me [;)]

4: I am poor.

[Anonymous]

No way I could afford one, and anyway, I wouldn't be happy spending that much on a single HO loco - can buy something very nice in G for the same money... My HO setup isn't really big enough to justify buying big steamers (end to end and no turntable), so I stick to diesels.

[Anonymous]

Ain't gonna happen! Not a Pennsy dude! How much higher is this than BLI's K-4?

[Virginian]

Well, I have the money, but the N&W and VGN didn't field Pennsy engines. If I wanted one I doubt that's the one I'd get. Kinda like that Marklin Mikado. I am waiting on delivery of the new BLI Class J. I don't need another J, but I WANT that whistle.

[Anonymous]

[V][censored][censored][censored][censored] MTH!

[Anonymous]

Well, I happen to have the extra cash, but since I don't model PRR I wouldn't be interested. Besides, if I did model PRR, I'd buy a BLI even if it cost more. No MTH for this railroader, no matter what engine they build.

I wouldn't use Microsoft software either, if I didn't have to, because of their predatory business practices.

Please, no flaming, just one man's opinion.

[mcouvillion]

I'm not familiar with MTH personally, but I have been amazed at the bad PR that they have generated in the last year or so. The model railroad community appears to despise these guys! I can't imagine a small business constantly antagonizing the folks that are potentially their customers and not seeing business suffer tremendously for it. If they think they can sue their way to wealth, they had better watch their backs. Someone will find a way to drill them, then there will be no mercy. No one catches every detail, no matter how hard they try. As for me, I'm not about to buy a "one-of" for my railroad. If it isn't compatible with the other equipment, I'm not going to get it, no matter how nice it is or whether I have the money. Won't happen.

Mark C.

[PennsyHoosier]

I have the money--but I won't use it for anything from MTH. PERIOD.

[fec153]

Evenif I could scrape up the money, my wife would kill me. $400 for WHAT,A TRAIN?
I'd be DEAD.
Flip

[tpatrick]

Maybe it's my imagination, but when I look at the picture in the ad for the MTH K-4 the trailing truck looks too small. To me the whole engine suffers from a toy like appearance, especially when compared to the BLI version. For my money it would be BLI or brass (PFM K-4s are plentiful for around $350).

[Anonymous]

$400? For an MTH loco? hmmmmmm Pennsy modeler I be, be for my K-4s its BLI or Bowser for me. Sorry Mike, but even if your model was 100 percent to scale, could pull a brick across the track and was the same price, I wouldn't buy. You haven't convinced me why you should get my money. Although performance and price are important to me - so is the hear and soul of a company. If i don't think you're gonna help the hobby in the long run - you aren't getting money.

[JerryZeman]

QUOTE: Originally posted by roxin2002

How many of you are going to pay 400 bucks to get the MTH HO K4.
I am editing this as I am not troling but just very curious as to the MTH following in HO land. Dave.

1. I model Great Northern steam, so, by default, I dislike Pennsy Steam. [:)] Please don't flame me, it is genetic.

2. For $400.00, I could purchase a PFM-United Great Northern H-5 (brass), and have plenty of money left over for a SoundTraxx decoder (I don't use sound in HO, but love it in O hirail). For that matter, you can find just about any road's Pacific class locomotives in HO brass manufactured prior to about 1990 for less money than this release, and if the interested party cruises E-Bay for a few weeks, they could probably find one custom painted.

3. If I was a Pennsy modeler (peri***he thought), I'd buy the BLI K-4, it is beautifully detailed, and doesn't have those bulbous firebox door hinges on it. What the heck is up with that? Is it a secret compartment to store the MTH decoder ring? Does it contain a microchip with a special message from Mike? And unless I am misreading this market completely, anybody that is a Pennsy fan already has their K-4s from BLI and are running them gleefully around the railroad. But, then again, I believe that MTH's stated goal is to "grow" the market with their DCS offerings. You know, there are a whole bunch of toy train folks out there, and masses of the "great unwashed" (presently non-modelers) that are going to become overnight HO operators just to enjoy this locomotive and the features of DCS.[;)] I can envision Jingle Bells emanating from the speaker of the MTH K-4 as it circles the Christmas Tree as I write this. [(-D][(-D] Would you pay $400.00 for that experience? Don't like Jingle Bells, no problem, we can go with "Grandpa got run over by a Reindeer". One of the attractions of DCS, DCS control system not included, additional cost item.

4. If this is a MUST HAVE piece for anybody, don't buy it right away, these things will get blown out just like Lionel's HO offerings. Then, both of these manufacturers can go back to doing what they do well, TOY TRAINS AND O HIRAIL. It will be interesting to see how well MTH's convertable O gauge locomotives are accepted by the two rail segment of the hobby. They sure looked good at Trainfest, and a hellofa lot cheaper than the buy-in for used O 2 rail Brass.

5. I'll check the rest of my thoughts on the whole DCS subject at the door.

Happy Thanksgiving All,
Jerry

[Anonymous]

I just received my BLI K4 and am very happy with it. I really don't think I want anything from MTH. And as some one else said the pictures just don't look quite right. The BLI is good very good and the sound is the best of any of there Pennsy engines.

[AggroJones]

I don't have $400.

If I was a Pennsy modeler, I would muster $195 to get a BLI K-4 without sound. It's very tempting, but I have no use for a PRR 4-6-2. However, I could use a good SP AC-11 or 12.

[Anonymous]

Out of my $ league

[Anonymous]

I'll take a pass.

[Anonymous]

$400 for a K-4? Nope.

[rexhea]

HO K4? Maybe. MTH? Nope... Never!

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by roxin2002

How many of you are going to pay 400 bucks to get the MTH HO K4.
I am editing this as I am not troling but just very curious as to the MTH following in HO land. Dave.

You seem to have asked the right question Dave. As of right now I have the score as:

Forum members 20
MTH 0

There seem to be a variety of reasons, but the answer is no. There is a pretty clear pattern forming.

The funny thing in all of this is that Lionel has never been successful in HO either, and they have made 4 attempts. The only company to successfully make products for both HO and 3 rail O is ATLAS. Atlas understands it's customers, and what they want.

[Anonymous]

Im not impressed with the MTH engines. Not that i dislike them for suing Lionel, because im not impressed with Lionel either. But MTH engines just dont have the detail to compete with BLI. I model diesel anyway so i wont be getting any K4s from anyone.

[AggroJones]

MTH's first HO release appears to be a failure. Their reputation is damage cause this whole lawsuit thing. We've got modelers boycotting them already. Plus their K-4 isn't up to BLI level, people complain it looks too toyish . And BLI released a damn fine K-4 before MTH cranked out theirs. Be 'em to the punch with a better product.

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by AggroJones

MTH's first HO release appears to be a failure. Their reputation is damage cause this whole lawsuit thing. We've got modelers boycotting them already. Plus their K-4 isn't up to BLI level, people complain it looks too toyish . And BLI released a damn fine K-4 before MTH cranked out theirs. Be 'em to the punch with a better product.

Horse hockey, Aggro. The real reason MTH has a commercial turkey on their hands is because they brought out a K-4. They're as much a drag on the market as Challengers. If MTH had brought out a Southern Pacific P-4, P-6 , P-8, an MT-4 or 5, an MK-5 or anyone of a number of SP locos I can think of, I'd buy one in a minute. If they'd brought out a GN O-8 2-8-2 or a Santa Fe modernized 3400 class 4-6-2 or a modernized Erie K-5a 4-6-2, they'd be selling them like hot cakes.

'Course, there's no reason they can't bring out any Pacific with a 77-80" driver diameter. They already have a useable chassis.

Andre

[bsteel4065]

I'd sooner sent $400 to the Nigerian scam than give to MTH.

[Fergmiester]

Not I!

To me MTH is new to this scale. First I would wait and see what the reviews from my fellow MR members would be (An unforgiving lot, you are) and then I would look at my list of priorities and then I would finally say "I don't think so" as I already have a perfectly good, well detailed, good running Spectrum K-4 that was a quarter of the price. MTH is making us pay for their entry into OUR market. I don't think so!

Fergie