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walthers 130 turntable
Posted by lsi3009 on Wednesday, March 4, 2015 10:45 PM

Anyone else been having any issues with walthers cornerstone 130 turntable? My index quit working, had it about a year. I've heard good and bad comments about them. Please express ur comments about them. Thanks

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, March 5, 2015 4:50 AM

Which version do you have?   The older non-DCC or the newer DCC?

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Posted by Falcon Ridge on Thursday, March 5, 2015 12:47 PM

I have the 90 foot model, works great.  I found I had problems with it if i powered it from the track buss but have now put it on a seperate 15 volt supply and it has worked fine since.  Also programed each track starting from the #1 position.

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Thursday, March 5, 2015 1:14 PM

Take the table out of the pit and really clean both ends of the contacts/wipers with track cleaner or alchohol.

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Posted by jecorbett on Thursday, March 5, 2015 2:42 PM

I have the original non-DCC version and I never could get the indexing to work reliably so I gave up on it and alligned it by eye. Recently I have been having another problem with mine. The turntable will turn only so far and then it sticks. I suspect there is a piece of debris in one of the cogs on the inside of the motor but I haven't figured out yet how to open it up without breaking the plastic assembly. I'm not sure if it is glued together or just a really tight snap fit so I have been proceeding with caution. Right now I have more pressing maintenance issues to deal with.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, March 5, 2015 2:50 PM

jecorbett

I have the original non-DCC version and I never could get the indexing to work reliably so I gave up on it and alligned it by eye. Recently I have been having another problem with mine. The turntable will turn only so far and then it sticks. I suspect there is a piece of debris in one of the cogs on the inside of the motor but I haven't figured out yet how to open it up without breaking the plastic assembly. I'm not sure if it is glued together or just a really tight snap fit so I have been proceeding with caution. Right now I have more pressing maintenance issues to deal with.

 

I also operate my non-DCC turntable manually because of the indexing problems.

As far as the bridge track sticking, by all means open it up and clear the gears. About once a year, I have to do that to get loose ballast out of the gears.

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Posted by jecorbett on Thursday, March 5, 2015 4:51 PM

richhotrain
 
jecorbett

I have the original non-DCC version and I never could get the indexing to work reliably so I gave up on it and alligned it by eye. Recently I have been having another problem with mine. The turntable will turn only so far and then it sticks. I suspect there is a piece of debris in one of the cogs on the inside of the motor but I haven't figured out yet how to open it up without breaking the plastic assembly. I'm not sure if it is glued together or just a really tight snap fit so I have been proceeding with caution. Right now I have more pressing maintenance issues to deal with.

 

 

 

I also operate my non-DCC turntable manually because of the indexing problems.

 

As far as the bridge track sticking, by all means open it up and clear the gears. About once a year, I have to do that to get loose ballast out of the gears.

Rich

 

 

Thanks, Rich. I take from your comments that the assembly is not glued but snapped together. I started having a problem at the end of model railroading seanson last year which corresponds with the beginning of golf season. Since I was busy with other business, I got a very late start this year in getting back into model railroading and have just glanced at that problem so far. I'm currently in the process of cleaning the grime and oxidation off the rails so I can start running trains again. I'm hoping to at least attempt an operating session by the end of this weekend. Getting that TT fully operational will go a long way in that effort.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, March 5, 2015 4:56 PM

jecorbett

Thanks, Rich. I take from your comments that the assembly is not glued but snapped together. 

It is screwed together.  Once ballast or other debris gets lodged in the gears, it can bring the bridge track to a dead stop, and you cannot simply spin the gears because they lock up.  To get at the debris that is causing the lock up, you have to unscrew the assembly and open up the plastic gears.

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Posted by Capt. Grimek on Thursday, March 5, 2015 5:06 PM

Some folks are using a cake cover (cheapo from Party Time Stores, etc.) to keep the dust and detris out of our tuntables. There is a post or two about that in the archives/search.  It helps a LOT!  

The Walthers turntables are indexed using an optical sensor. There are (much) more expensive alternatives that use a gear counting chip or mechanisim that is tons more accurate.  Unfortunately not everyone can afford a $400-500 controller...  I've ended up indexing mine by eye like others.  I can usually get most of the positions to hold their indexed position memory but there are usually one or two tracks that play mischief.  This would suck if one's turntable is far away from the aisle but I can see from mine so I live with it.

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Posted by jecorbett on Thursday, March 5, 2015 6:13 PM

Capt. Grimek

Some folks are using a cake cover (cheapo from Party Time Stores, etc.) to keep the dust and detris out of our tuntables. There is a post or two about that in the archives/search.  It helps a LOT!  

The Walthers turntables are indexed using an optical sensor. There are (much) more expensive alternatives that use a gear counting chip or mechanisim that is tons more accurate.  Unfortunately not everyone can afford a $400-500 controller...  I've ended up indexing mine by eye like others.  I can usually get most of the positions to hold their indexed position memory but there are usually one or two tracks that play mischief.  This would suck if one's turntable is far away from the aisle but I can see from mine so I live with it.

Jim

 

This highlights one of the dumbest decisions I made when designing my layout. Like many plans I've seen, I put the TT/roundhouse on the inside of a corner curve. However in a moment of insanity, I put the TT near the mainline track and the roundhouse between the aisle and the TT. It is both a maintenance and operational nightmare as I can only see into a few of the stalls. I have to use a step stool when lining up the TT. One of these days I am going to tear it up and start over, but right now I have other priorities.   

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, March 5, 2015 7:02 PM

jecorbett

This highlights one of the dumbest decisions I made when designing my layout. Like many plans I've seen, I put the TT/roundhouse on the inside of a corner curve. However in a moment of insanity, I put the TT near the mainline track and the roundhouse between the aisle and the TT. It is both a maintenance and operational nightmare as I can only see into a few of the stalls. I have to use a step stool when lining up the TT. One of these days I am going to tear it up and start over, but right now I have other priorities.   

 

Can you place a mirror at an angle above it?
 
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Posted by jecorbett on Friday, March 6, 2015 9:27 AM

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jecorbett

This highlights one of the dumbest decisions I made when designing my layout. Like many plans I've seen, I put the TT/roundhouse on the inside of a corner curve. However in a moment of insanity, I put the TT near the mainline track and the roundhouse between the aisle and the TT. It is both a maintenance and operational nightmare as I can only see into a few of the stalls. I have to use a step stool when lining up the TT. One of these days I am going to tear it up and start over, but right now I have other priorities.

 

 

Can you place a mirror at an angle above it?

 
Rich

 
I used to do that with handheld mirror to see which locos were in which stalls but since I went to a car card system I have a card for each loco and card slots on my fascia into which I put the loco card for the corresponding stall. As far as lining up the TT, it's just as easy to use the step stool since it allows me to look down at the track to line up the rails.
 
Of course the long term solution is to blow up the engine servicing area and rebuild it the way it should have been done the first time with the TT nearest the aisle. Not only would that be make operations and maintenance easier, it would look so much better that way. I didn't put enough though into the original design. I had the lead track coming from the classification yard and that track was near the aisle. I must have seen that keeping that track going straight to the TT did not allow me enough room to put the roundhouse between the TT and the mainline tracks so I just extended the shelf outward to make room for the roundhouse on the opposite side. In hindsight I should have simply had the lead track bend a little so that the TT could be placed with enough room for the roundhouse on the opposite side. Live and learn I guess.
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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, March 6, 2015 9:34 AM

jecorbett

Of course the long term solution is to blow up the engine servicing area and rebuild it the way it should have been done the first time with the TT nearest the aisle. Not only would that be make operations and maintenance easier, it would look so much better that way. I didn't put enough though into the original design. I had the lead track coming from the classification yard and that track was near the aisle. I must have seen that keeping that track going straight to the TT did not allow me enough room to put the roundhouse between the TT and the mainline tracks so I just extended the shelf outward to make room for the roundhouse on the opposite side. In hindsight I should have simply had the lead track bend a little so that the TT could be placed with enough room for the roundhouse on the opposite side. Live and learn I guess.

Don't feel too bad.  My roundhouse stalls face the aisle and, of course, the turntable is in front of it.  But, between the aisle and the turntable sits my freight yard.  Poor planning on my part.  I can reach the turntable, but not the roundhouse.
 
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Posted by jecorbett on Friday, March 6, 2015 9:48 AM

richhotrain
jecorbett

Of course the long term solution is to blow up the engine servicing area and rebuild it the way it should have been done the first time with the TT nearest the aisle. Not only would that be make operations and maintenance easier, it would look so much better that way. I didn't put enough though into the original design. I had the lead track coming from the classification yard and that track was near the aisle. I must have seen that keeping that track going straight to the TT did not allow me enough room to put the roundhouse between the TT and the mainline tracks so I just extended the shelf outward to make room for the roundhouse on the opposite side. In hindsight I should have simply had the lead track bend a little so that the TT could be placed with enough room for the roundhouse on the opposite side. Live and learn I guess.

 

 

Don't feel too bad. My roundhouse stalls face the aisle and, of course, the turntable is in front of it. But, between the aisle and the turntable sits my freight yard. Poor planning on my part. I can reach the turntable, but not the roundhouse.

 
Rich

 
With the TT where it is now, I have a good amount of wasted space between the TT and the mainline tracks. I wouldn't have to reposition it that far to make room for the roundhouse. It shouldn't be that hard to cut and paste the section of plywood that holds the TT pit. Other than a little bit of new track and ground cover, it shouldn't cost too much. Mostly sweat equity.

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