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BEST AIRBRUSH(ES) AND AIR COMPRESSOR TO BUY

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BEST AIRBRUSH(ES) AND AIR COMPRESSOR TO BUY
Posted by prrfan59 on Friday, October 17, 2014 5:41 PM

HELLO GUYS,

I AM IN THE MARKET TO GET AN AIRBRUSH THAT I CAN USE TO PAINT MY MODEL CARS AND MODEL TRAINS WOULD LIKE AAN AIRBRUSH THAT I CAN USE FOR ENAMEL,ACRYLIC, AND LACQUER ALSO WOULD LIKE A NICE LOW NOISE AIR COMPRESSOR WHATS YOUR FAVORITE AIRBRUSHES AND COMPRESSORS?

THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT

GEORGE

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Posted by stokesda on Friday, October 17, 2014 6:15 PM

Well, you don't have to shout, we can hear you just fine! Wink Big Smile

I've had good luck with this compressor and this airbrush. Something like this might be another airbrush option, if you aren't keen on using a dual-action airbrush.

 

Dan Stokes

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Posted by zstripe on Friday, October 17, 2014 7:44 PM

George,

The best???

That will be determined on how deep Your pockets are and whose opinion You are listening to.

I personnally use Paasche, single and dual action brushes. And a Craftsman 2 1/2 hp oiless 150 psi. 4gal pancake storage tank compressor, which is also a air brad/roofing nailer air sourse compressor. If You do a lot of air brush work...it is always best to get one that has a storage tank built in.

I used to paint a lot of custom cars and trucks and use a Sandborn 6hp 60 gal compressor in my garage for that. I wont even get into the cost of spray gun costs for the best for that.

Take Care! Big Smile

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Posted by jrbernier on Friday, October 17, 2014 8:55 PM

  If you have never air brushed before, I would suggest getting a low cost unit and hobby air compressor.  The air 'cans' are not worth the cost.  Your local Harbor Freight has internal mix air brushes priced about $20, and small air compressors for arount $80-90 each.

http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=air+brush

  Air brushes take time to learn how to use.  They need regular cleaning after every use.  The Harbor Freight airbrush is the same as the Master G-22 or the Fengda BD-800.  I suspect this air brush has been imported by several other companies as well.  I bought one 'on sale' about 2 years ago.  It is not as nice as either my Badger 200 or 105, but it does get the job done.

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Posted by jmbjmb on Friday, October 17, 2014 9:47 PM

Another vote for the Harbor Freight.  I wanted to try a dual action brush, but couldn't justify the $120 for a Paasche.  At something like $20 bucks it's a good deal for the money.  I've already done several locomotives with it and while it may not be artists quality, it does what I need.

For a compressor, I use a Porter Cable 6 gal that's probably the same as the craftsman someone else mentioned.

 

jim (different one)

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Posted by JAMES MOON on Friday, October 17, 2014 10:29 PM

If you have a few dollars to spare I would recommend a Senco single tank small compressor.  They are light weight and easy to carrry around and are fairly quiet.  They can also be used for power pin nailers, finish nailers as well as one framing nailer if your into building bench work or other carpentry projects.  I am looking at a Badger top feed single action air brush for my first air brush purchase after listening to Badger's presentation at the NMRA convention.

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Posted by RideOnRoad on Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:14 AM

Earlier I followed this group's advice and bought a Harbor Frieght compressor and entry-level air brush. Now in all fairness, ignorance may be bliss, but I have been happy. I have used the airbrush to paint my rails, and to paint structures. No complaints.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:15 AM

I use a Paasche VL, a dual action brush.  I'd not used an airbrush at all before purchasing it, but it was easy to learn use of it.  I've had it now for almost 40 years, including several years of commercial painting and nowadays, a lot for myself and for friends.

I won't recommend a compressor, though.  The one I use is a rotary screw-type, which requires no tank, as its output doesn't pulse as would a piston or diaphram-type.  However, I have no idea where you'd find one.  Mine was built, using components and fabricated parts, by my father.


The compressor is from Wagner Electric, a company long ago absorbed by others, and the current owner, Federal Mogul, has no one there familiar with the compressor or its operation.
 
I am very satisfied with the compressor, which I've use now for about 20 years, and the only maintenance has be an occasional adjustment of the drive belt from the 3/4HP motor.
If anybody here is familiar with this type of compressor, please contact me via PM.


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Posted by KRISTIAN CHRONISTER on Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:03 AM
I understand the appeal of small, quiet "hobby" compressors. But I've never found one that really maintains constant dead-on flow. I use (I think) the same porter cable "pancake tank" compressor mentioned above, and a paasche airbrush I bought 20 yrs ago that's still going strong. I keep the compressors built in regulator set to whatever I need, typically 25 psi, and the tank lasts a long time. I don't leave it on auto pilot since it kicks on whenever the track pressure drops to 120psi, rather, I turn it off once it's full up to 140, and run it down to about 40. Then I flip it on, and it makes awful racket for a minute or two. Then I get peace, quiet, and dead-on accurate constant pressure for a half hour or so...
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Posted by Steven S on Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:12 AM

doctorwayne
The one I use is a rotary screw-type, which requires no tank, as its output doesn't pulse as would a piston or diaphram-type.

 

The nice thing about using a tank is that you don't need the compressor running when you're working. 

 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:39 PM

Steven S

 doctorwayne

The one I use is a rotary screw-type, which requires no tank, as its output doesn't pulse as would a piston or diaphram-type.

 The nice thing about using a tank is that you don't need the compressor running when you're working. 

 

Steve S

 

 
Well, depending on where you're working, that may be an advantage.  My paint shop is in the garage, about 100' behind the house, so the noise doesn't bother anyone.  In the winter, I pre-heat the shop (about 4'x6', so it doesn't take long) and then the running compressor keeps the room warm while I'm working - often 3 or 4 hours at a time.  In the summer, the compressor is outside the room - a little quieter in the paint shop and no worries about the excess heat.
I also have two piston-type compressors and a diaphragm one, but the rotary is by far the best of the lot for painting.  No maintenance is a big plus, too.  Evidently, in some industrial applications (not necessarily anything to do with painting), they run 24 hours a day.

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Posted by Soo Line fan on Saturday, October 18, 2014 3:25 PM

doctorwayne

 


The compressor is from Wagner Electric, a company long ago absorbed by others, and the current owner, Federal Mogul, has no one there familiar with the compressor or its operation.
 

 

 

Wayne,

Is that an old automotive / HD truck compressor? What is the purpose of the two copper pipes bent into a elbow?

Jim

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Posted by Run Eight on Saturday, October 18, 2014 4:16 PM

Badger Air Brushes are still Made in the U.S.of A. and a resonably priced. Take a look at their respective web-site.

Have owned one that was marketed by Sears,Roebuck & Company some 30 years ago, marked Sears, but manufactured by Badger. It has served me well over the years.

Wm. K. Walthers Company carries this line. Take a look at their current respective on-line catalog for a current price.

Air compressors. Porter-Cable and Dewalt, 3 gallon and 6 gallon pan-cake air compressors, 120 volt with pressure regulator. By Stanley Black & Decker.

Manufactured by the Porter-Cable Division in U.S.of A. in Jackson, Tennessee, which use to be the DeVilbious Company (spray equipment) plant.

Can be purchased for under $200.00 from either Home Depot or Lowe's if you have either in your area.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, October 18, 2014 4:57 PM

Soo Line fan
Wayne, Is that an old automotive / HD truck compressor? What is the purpose of the two copper pipes bent into a elbow?


I think, but am not positive, that it's from a Koehring Waterous Tree Harvester, as my Dad worked at their plant in Brantford. 
As for those pipes, I've no idea as to their purpose - they appear to have compression-type fittings on their ends, one male and the other female, but there's nothing entering or leaving either when the compressor is running.
I joined a machinery forum in an attempt to learn more about it, but have had no responses, even from PMs to those who may have knowledge about it.

The tank, which appears to be two welded-together housings from old-style refrigerator compressors, contains liquid, which I suspect may be oil, and there is, of course, oil in the compressor case.  It's my understanding that oil plays a part in the compression process, but is separated from the compressed air and recycled. 
I've never had a problem with oil in the air supply, and the oil/moisture trap yields only a drop or two of water with the draincock opened.


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Posted by Soo Line fan on Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:03 PM

doctorwayne
Soo Line fan
Wayne, Is that an old automotive / HD truck compressor? What is the purpose of the two copper pipes bent into a elbow?

As for those pipes, I've no idea as to their purpose - they appear to have compression-type fittings on their ends, one male and the other female, but there's nothing entering or leaving either when the compressor is running.

Wayne

 

Those were probably connected to the cooling system of the engine.

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Posted by zstripe on Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:14 PM

Jim,

That is exactly what I thought when I discussed it with Wayne some time ago. Those fittings look like they would be connected to the cooling system like you would see on heater hose fittings on a truck heater core.

Take Care! Big Smile

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Posted by jmbjmb on Saturday, October 18, 2014 9:53 PM

We use rotary screw type compressors at work, though our are for helium rather than air.  An RS compressor can run 24/7 for a good time.  I suspect they may be more of an industrial rather readily available home use item.

And yes, the oil is used as part of the compressor operations and has to be separated.  I suspect you're getting more percent oil past the separator than you think though since your flow is low volume, probably not much in total.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, October 18, 2014 10:34 PM

jmbjmb
....I suspect you're getting more percent oil past the separator than you think though since your flow is low volume, probably not much in total.

I wouldn't think it to be much at all, as I've never had an issue with any type of paint, including water-based ones.  Perhaps the oil/water trap is catching it, but what little comes from the bleeder appears to be water - a few drops in perhaps 6 or 8 months, although it's obviously not operated continuously over that period.
I was interested in understanding some of the attached plumbing, and wondering if there's anything that would require service.
It is definitely an industrial device, and was probably obtained from his workplace.  He would have done the necessary modifications to make it into an air compressor as shown, and undoubtedly understood it's operation much more fully than do I.

My apologies to George for sidetracking his thread, but this thing has mystified me ever since I got it.  Confused

 

Thanks for your additional input, jmbjmb. Smile

 

Wayne

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