Gee... THAT was easy. Any other space saving ideas?
ROAR
The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.
Here there be cats. LIONS with CAMERAS
Mebee LION getting taste for sumthin more than local wine?? Roar(burp)
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
They make beer in there. Well, one of the steps on the way to ethanol is indeed beer. They must add gasoline to it, otherwise they would need liqueor licenses. THAT would be pricy.
Brother Elias, the facility in your last image seems sizable enough, why would modeling it be particularly easy (also, the 3rd image link seems broken on my Browser).Modeling track in the middle of a field is NOT modeling an Ethanol facility, unless the 3rd image was the old "tracks going thru a fence gate to a viewblock behind, with a industry sign in front" trick used to model "invisible" industries (I think MR had an article with a similar title, decades ago)
Right click on the broken image and click view image. IT is right tere and works correctly. The photo server is in my own office and we are close to the top of our upload limits.
Google Richardton ND and click on the map (not airal image) and you will see the track plan. Much of the plant can be a back drop with just the tracks modeled, or you can just set out some boxes and tubes for the buildings. The plant has four miles of track, and has two locomotives to handle the cars, so it could be an interesting layout in its own rite.
Corn and Coal come in, Ethanol and Brewer's Yeast are outbound. The plant is served by a turn from Dickinson. Inbound cars are backed in from the east side of the plant, loads are pulled out from the west side of the plant. If few cars are outbound, the conductor does the inspections, if there are many cars going out, a car knocker will drive out from Dickinson to do the inspections for them.
That coal operation is interesting. Coal was supposed to be brought in by truck from mines about 40 miles north of town, but the engineers did not count thier numbers properly, and the lower quality of coal would not serve, thus coal now comes in by rail from Montana. The locomotive in that middle photo was pulling these coal cars through the unloading process fifty feet every ten minutes.
Howdy, Brother Elias,
About all the space I can devote to ethanol production is occupied by the little pot still in a nondescript shed at my smaller colliery. The three families that work there use it to supplement the pittance they earn scraping out the leavings of a worked-out coal seam. They also sell scrap metal - rail, abandoned machinery and other junk pulled out of the abandoned workings.
Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)
LOL at the "house of lion" reference.
i used to buy ethanol until I did the math and realized it costs 11% more to use, yes, it is priced less but my mileage dropped by 4 mpg.
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination."-Albert Einstein
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Geared Steam LOL at the "house of lion" reference. i used to buy ethanol until I did the math and realized it costs 11% more to use, yes, it is priced less but my mileage dropped by 4 mpg.
Ah, but wait, Yes ETOH costs more, but you do not have to buy it from waring peoples in other parts of the world. The *other* political party loves the stuff because it is "natural" and will be plentiful once the nasty ground based stuff runs out.
Today we have plentiful oil right here in the Bakken, but *that* party will not allow a new pipeline, and now is trying to strangle rail shipments with burdensome regulations and restrictions. *They* want your prices higher and higher so that you will stop driving, stop eating, and stop breathing so that the planet may be pristine once again.
NOPE, no politics here, LION will not even go on that hobby horse! But even if you pay a little more for ethanol, look at all the jobs it has created in agraculture. Revitalize the west it does with more and more land coming back into production.
Besides, if you will pay more at the pump anyway bescause tose guys think the tax is way to low anyway.
BroadwayLion Geared Steam LOL at the "house of lion" reference. i used to buy ethanol until I did the math and realized it costs 11% more to use, yes, it is priced less but my mileage dropped by 4 mpg. Ah, but wait, Yes ETOH costs more, but you do not have to buy it from waring peoples in other parts of the world. The *other* political party loves the stuff because it is "natural" and will be plentiful once the nasty ground based stuff runs out. Today we have plentiful oil right here in the Bakken, but *that* party will not allow a new pipeline, and now is trying to strangle rail shipments with burdensome regulations and restrictions. *They* want your prices higher and higher so that you will stop driving, stop eating, and stop breathing so that the planet may be pristine once again. NOPE, no politics here, LION will not even go on that hobby horse! But even if you pay a little more for ethanol, look at all the jobs it has created in agraculture. Revitalize the west it does with more and more land coming back into production. Besides, if you will pay more at the pump anyway bescause tose guys think the tax is way to low anyway. ROAR
I agree 100% Lion.
Silly hobby horse statements aside: Why build a questionable corn based ethanol plant? Build a cellulosic biofuel plant. This one makes isobutanol from waste products.
You are correct of course, but it makes no difference. The farmer will grow whatever you want to buy. You want corn, him grow corn. You want sawgrass, him grow sawgrass. If him plant sawgrass for ethanol, then him not plant durham for your spaghetti. We have farm capacity to both feed the world, AND to produce all of the ethanol thay you would like. Problem is (for the poor of the world) the farmer must always be paid for his work and product. Typically a farmer must borrow money for the inputs (seed, fertilizer, chemicals, fuel, and amortization on his equipment and land investmernts) and then repay it when he sells the crop.
AND you need to remember that farmers only get paid once a year.
I'm building an ethanol plant. I have about 7 ft by 24" area to build it in my main layout. I have all the Walthers building already.
Thats my next project once i finish the new mainline tracking.
Michael
CEO- Mile-HI-RailroadPrototype: D&RGW Moffat Line 1989