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Rapido Steam generator car NO MORE?
Posted by Truck on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:23 PM

After waiting  several months for my D&RGW steam gen. car,  my LHS contacted me today and told me they were not going to make any more. There are issues with the steam being toxic. They told me it says this with the paper work that came with the cars that have already been sold. NOT to use around children and use in a well ventallated area. The D&RGW was one of the first paint scheams they announced, it was even advertised in MR magazine. has anyone else heard about this?   I wa realy looking forward to getting one of these.   Truck.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:30 PM

I haven't heard that, but maybe things have come to light about the steam?  I didn't know they were supposed to make simulated steam.

As for the Rio Grande Steam Generator, its a fantasy car - completely fictional.  Because of this, I never was interested.  Rio Grandes steam generators were either converted from Steam Engine tenders from the 1940's or the two Alco PB diesels converted in 1965.  Best bet is to get an Athearn or Proto 2000 PB and modify it.  That is what ran on the Rio Grande Zephyr mostly.

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Posted by wholeman on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:31 PM

 According to their site, they will be available in late 2010.  If they have stopped making them, then I can't see why they announced new road names.

 http://www.rapidotrains.com/schemes_ho/drgw.html#gen_drgw

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Posted by Truck on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:44 PM

Thanks for the info riogrande5761. Iam still learning about witch cars were prototipical and for what railroads. That would explain why I could never find a real photo of these for D&RGW. But I thought having one would be cool.

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Posted by selector on Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:13 AM

If I know Jason Shron and his strong Rapido reputation, hearing third hand about a toxicity problem with their steam gennie cars and not having a very public announcement are highly incongruous.

It is bogus...surely.

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Posted by markpierce on Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:30 AM

Bogus cars ... bogus story ... more bogus cars.  Are we having fun yet?

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:57 AM

markpierce
Bogus cars ... bogus story ... more bogus cars.  Are we having fun yet?

This story is big enough to reach out and take a good healthy bite out of your tush isn't it? It do sound like a candidate for a future Monster Fish Unhooked episode!

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:33 AM

Offer it unlettered and without the working "steam" at a lower price and I would buy a few. As it is, Rapido has yet to make anything I need or want - especially at their prices.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 AM

TA462

Rapido says their steam fluid is NON TOXIC.  I have 4 of these and I'm still alive to talk about it, lol.  Sheldon, it is offered undecorated. For $49.95 CANADIAN your getting a cool looking and very unique car, I don't think that's a bad price at all.  I'm still waiting on my 3 in Ontario Northland colours. 

A significant percentage of my 120 piece locomotive fleet barely cost $49.95 a piece. Their web site lists the price at $59.95, and is not clear if that is US or Canadian, but its too much in any case. I generally don't spend that kind of money on rolling stock and have no interest in the "steam". Now $29.95 US without the "electronics" and I would be all in for a a couple - it is a nice looking and well done model. But I don't pay for features I don't want.

I guess I will kit bash some dummy B units - like many railroads did.

As for this "toxic" issue, I don't buy into much of any of that alarmist thinking.

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Posted by last mountain & eastern hogger on Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:24 PM

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I've been waiting close to a year now for a WP one, still no sign of it.

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Posted by Flashwave on Thursday, August 26, 2010 2:09 PM

Admittedly though, much of my interest in the steam gennie has been more as a seperate HEP car, since I'm in the more modern setting. Still a nice car though,

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Posted by RapidoBill on Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:13 PM

I love how these rumors start... Confused

OK - to set the record straight - we are NOT canceling the steam gennies. Any of them. The fluid is NON toxic (although we do suggest that you not drink it and use in a well ventilated area if you're going to leave the things running - both of which..... I would hope.... fall under "common sense").

In fact, we announced in the last Timetable newsletter (sent out to subscribers and dealers July 30 and available online at http://www.rapidotrains.com/timetable/tt_current.html)  that final orders were due to be in by August 15 so that we could begin production (which we have). Nowhere did we say anything about canceling them, I'm not sure where that tidbit of information came from!

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Hope this helps clear this up...

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Posted by garr on Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:54 PM

RapidoBill

I love how these rumors start... Confused

OK - to set the record straight - we are NOT canceling the steam gennies. Any of them. The fluid is NON toxic (although we do suggest that you not drink it and use in a well ventilated area if you're going to leave the things running - both of which..... I would hope.... fall under "common sense").

In fact, we announced in the last Timetable newsletter (sent out to subscribers and dealers July 30 and available online at http://www.rapidotrains.com/timetable/tt_current.html)  that final orders were due to be in by August 15 so that we could begin production (which we have). Nowhere did we say anything about canceling them, I'm not sure where that tidbit of information came from!

If you have any questions or concerns about Rapdio products always feel free to contact us. We do our best to answer all e-mails as quickly as possible. Also, our newsletters are a free subscription, come out about once a month, and are full of both up to date information and the occasional amusing tidbits. You can sign up right off the home page of our web site.

Hope this helps clear this up...

 Bill Schneider

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Posted by 1train1 on Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:07 PM

I'm still patiently waiting for the N Scale ON Rail passenger cars I've already thrown money down on......

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Posted by Geared Steam on Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:52 PM

TA462
When did you buy them?  I'n the 80's?  LOLOL, just kidding.  

My thoughts exactly Cool

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:13 PM

Yes, many manufacturers make "fantasy" paint jobs to fill out the number of units they can sell and help to justify the tooling costs etc.  It used to be most freight cars available were fantasy but now if you are careful you can get many close if not correct freight cars.  This is a handsome paint job but Rio Grande never owned a car like Rapido offers.  Rather they converted some steam tenders from old articulated steam engines which were retired in the 40's and 50's for a couple of them, and then the Alco PB units that once pulled the California Zephyr were pulled from service in 1965 and the prime movers were removed and steam generators installed.  The roof lost the large axial fan and gained some steam generator plumbing.  In the 1970's one of the ex Alco PB unit was re-trucked with 2 axle EMD blomberg trucks.  At least one of the SG cars lasted up to about 1990 and after conversion to HEP was used infront of the slap side ex-Canadian ski train cars.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:18 PM

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A significant percentage of my 120 piece locomotive fleet barely cost $49.95 a piece. Their web site lists the price at $59.95, and is not clear if that is US or Canadian, but its too much in any case. I generally don't spend that kind of money on rolling stock and have no interest in the "steam". Now $29.95 US without the "electronics" and I would be all in for a a couple - it is a nice looking and well done model. But I don't pay for features I don't want.

I guess I will kit bash some dummy B units - like many railroads did.

As for this "toxic" issue, I don't buy into much of any of that alarmist thinking.

Sheldon

When did you buy them?  I'n the 80's?  LOLOL, just kidding.   Most of my 100+ loco's were in the 100 dollar mark.  Some as low as 50 and some 10 times that.  I only use the steam in one of mine, it is a cool feature though.  You should Email Jason, you never know, they might have a few lying around with the guts out of them.

Well, I have been in the hobby since 1968, so for me the 80's was not that long ago, but most of my current motive power has been purchased in the last 15 years.

It includes over 30 Spectrum steamers, and a selection of diesels from Proto2000, Athearn, Intermountain and others. Other steam includes some Proto2000 and BLI/PCM, and only two brass models.

No one piece was over $300, most steam around $100, many less, and many Proto diesels were $40-$80. One example - 6 AB sets of Proto FA's - both units powered - $59.95 a set - $30.00 a loco!

Now, I will remind all that I do not use DCC or onboard sound and most of these models are DC versions.

A few sound/DCC or DCC models have had their electronics "ajusted" to my needs, and those models were purchased at very low prices compaired to their retail prices - Again, I don't pay for stuff I don't need or want.

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Posted by don7 on Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:34 PM

Truck

After waiting  several months for my D&RGW steam gen. car,  my LHS contacted me today and told me they were not going to make any more. There are issues with the steam being toxic. They told me it says this with the paper work that came with the cars that have already been sold. NOT to use around children and use in a well ventallated area. The D&RGW was one of the first paint scheams they announced, it was even advertised in MR magazine. has anyone else heard about this?   I wa realy looking forward to getting one of these.   Truck.

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If the original poster had bothered to access the Rapido site this rumour would not have started.

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Posted by Truck on Friday, August 27, 2010 1:10 AM

I just asked if anyone on these foums heard about this. I did not want to start a rumor. But I am going to visit LHS this weekend and try to find out why I was told this. And if they can show me facts I will post.  Truck. 

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Posted by Flashwave on Friday, August 27, 2010 3:11 AM

Truck

I just asked if anyone on these foums heard about this. I did not want to start a rumor. But I am going to visit LHS this weekend and try to find out why I was told this. And if they can show me facts I will post.  Truck. 

No problem, but with a word from Rapido themselves, you might want to have a word with your LHS, or his distributor. Someone's got sum esplainin' to do.  Hee hee.

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Posted by markpierce on Friday, August 27, 2010 1:53 PM

Power car the modern equivalent?

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, August 27, 2010 2:09 PM

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When did rumor mills come into existence?  I assume they would have been around by the late Transition Era, but how about earlier than that.  I have a dual-era layout, and I'd like to include a rail-served rumor mill on my layout.  But, would I have to remove it when I pull the diesels and revert to the 1930s?

If anyone knows what kind of freight cars one would find at a typical rumor mill, I'd appreciate hearing from you on that, too.  Thanks.

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Posted by Flashwave on Friday, August 27, 2010 2:17 PM

markpierce

Power car the modern equivalent?

 

Actually, yes. I believe that really was the Gennie Rapido is modelling at somepoint in its life. Now it's behnd an F40 and a dummied RDC...

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Posted by markpierce on Friday, August 27, 2010 2:35 PM

Flashwave

Actually, yes. I believe that really was the Gennie Rapido is modelling at somepoint in its life. Now it's behnd an F40 and a dummied RDC...

I took the photo this year (Grand Canyon Railway), and the power car contains a diesel generator to provide electricity for the passenger cars.

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Posted by cv_acr on Friday, August 27, 2010 2:51 PM

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Flashwave

Actually, yes. I believe that really was the Gennie Rapido is modelling at somepoint in its life. Now it's behnd an F40 and a dummied RDC...

I took the photo this year (Grand Canyon Railway), and the power car contains a diesel generator to provide electricity for the passenger cars.

Yep that car definately is a GMDD steam generator car that's been rebuilt as a power car instead of boiler. It's exactly the Rapido car with some post-service custom modifications to rebuild it.

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Posted by cv_acr on Friday, August 27, 2010 2:56 PM

riogrande5761
In the 1970's one of the ex Alco PB unit was re-trucked with 2 axle EMD blomberg trucks.  At least one of the SG cars lasted up to about 1990 and after conversion to HEP was used infront of the slap side ex-Canadian ski train cars.

Ironically, that ex-PB generator car, the ex-CN/VIA coaches and ex-Amtrak F40PH locomotives all ended up on the Algoma Central Passenger trains. The generator car was acquired from Ski Train back in 2007.

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Posted by BATMAN on Friday, August 27, 2010 3:01 PM

MisterBeasley

If anyone knows what kind of freight cars one would find at a typical rumor mill, I'd appreciate hearing from you on that, too.  Thanks.

 

The car would be a 10,000 Gal. Air Tight Tank car. Such a car would hold many rumours and being air tight it would prevent any rumours from leaking out.Smile

 

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Posted by markpierce on Friday, August 27, 2010 3:07 PM

Flashwave

 Now it's behnd an F40 and a dummied RDC...

I believe it is a Budd coach.  The GC Rwy has a bunch of them.

 

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Posted by cv_acr on Friday, August 27, 2010 3:21 PM

The coach is a demotered former RDC. These rebuilds are often known as "Boise Budds"

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Posted by markpierce on Friday, August 27, 2010 3:25 PM

BATMAN

The car would be a 10,000 Gal. Air Tight Tank car. Such a car would hold many rumours and being air tight it would prevent any rumours from leaking out.Smile

In actual practice, rumors are shipped in soiled stock cars.  If rumors were sealed air-tight, we'd never know they were there.

Mark

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